Lazard for energy cost comparisons?

They pretty much report that solar and wind (utility scale) are basically cheaper than everything but gas.

Discord is like the old forum system, but it's too centralized re: hosting

*new construction

Discord also doesn't let users start threads or order threads by most recent reply. It's really very different.

@Salacious Swanky Cat no I haven't seen that one. I'll look it over, thanks.

VBulliten forums, miss those days

Pbnation.com <3

Yeah. It’s interesting to look at. It isn’t a perfect comparison though. @uncephalized

yeah very different from a forum

forums are great for archiving information as well as real-time discussion

I can barely follow forums because the response format is weird to me.

how so?

Some of them don’t have the indentations.

So it gets weird to me.

It’s mostly from unfamiliarity

There is a pretty broad variety of forum builds, some of them are more readable than others.

I’ve only joined one forum ever and that was recently for electric cars

my favorite forum is social.technet.com

NOT

Don’t know what that is

Lol

I’m a super boomer. Forums are weird to me.

microsoft's forum for support

it's atrocious

As much as I like running Windows as my primary OS I can concur that Microsoft's Forums tend to be ass.

Hehe FondestAlloy is hanging out in voice chat waiting for someone to debate...

He's been there all day

😂

Maybe we should call his family, ask them to check in on him or something

One of you college boys check on him.

@uncephalized
*"I think he means 'and you mock me' in a more general sense implying that I am guilty of the same word-salad essays I sometimes make fun of him for."*
No, for saying I don't know what I'm talking about. 🤣
I don't have the essay on line. It's burried somewhere in my laptop.
Solar's intisl costs are high*er* than some options, but the costs come down rapidly; My folks solar paid itself off in 5 years. Since this involves for-profit purposes, the ROI should pay itself off in one year... As ehem, *YOU* pointed out (*"solar works fine"*).
Still irrelevant, unless you propose to build a slot racers track at 1:1 scale. 🤣
In both considerations, we bottle it and ship it either by truck, rail, or pipeline. (And you call me an *"unsympathetic debator."* 🤣)
A tax break isn't taxpayer support. It's an incentive to innovate. 🤣

@Salacious Swanky Cat
There are cars already on the road that run on hydrogen, but hey no problem.

I for one give so many negative fucks what *environmentalists* want they couldn't pay the bill in a million years. These are the same sort of people who joined antifa. They can suck my cock. 👿
No, my only motivation is stopping the damage from getting worse, and that means environmental and economic. Hydrogen has net zero damage and reduces economic effects;
***IIRC*** (and I know I'm off but bear with me), right now it costs 25¢ per loaf of bread to move it from a warehouse to a store. By using a source costing 4¢ per mile versus 12¢ per mile, that reduces the *final mile* price respectively, and that savings amplifies the more points along the line it's applied. Reducing the farmer's yearly fuel prices from $2,ØØØ to even $1,5ØØ means he sells wheat at the lower cost.

Que the "holy wall" whines...

*holy wall!*

The infrastructure for battery electric cars is far cheaper and easier to install than hydrogen cars and there are far more battery models available, which are also cheaper than the one commercially available hydrogen car.

Plus, battery prices are reducing faster than fuel cell prices.

Hydrogen costs far more per unit of energy. I think at $16 per gallon equivalent versus the $1-2 per gallon equivalent for electricity.

Hydrogen will be used but it will only be niche

@Mandatory Carry *"No, for saying I don't know what I'm talking about."*

Show me where I said this.

*"I don't have the essay on line. It's burried somewhere in my laptop."*

Is it something you wrote? Or an actual study?

*"Solar's intisl costs are higher than some options, but the costs come down rapidly; My folks solar paid itself off in 5 years. Since this involves for-profit purposes, the ROI should pay itself off in one year... "*

The Lazard paper Sal posted above says cost is close to gas, so maybe you are right. My other questions remain unanswered.

*"As ehem, YOU pointed out ("solar works fine")."*

I was saying that it *functions* for purpose the same as any other source of power. Not that it is economically viable.

*"Still irrelevant, unless you propose to build a slot racers track at 1:1 scale. 🤣"*

I explained exactly why it was relevant; the primary competitor is batteries, which use grid power.

*"In both considerations, we bottle it and ship it either by truck, rail, or pipeline."*

And I pointed out that the transportation and storage are vastly different and more complicated for hydrogen, which you continue to ignore.

*"(And you call me an "unsympathetic debator." 🤣)"*

Yes. I don't believe I've accused you of lying or pointed a single 🤣 in your direction in this entire conversation.

@uncephalized that report only states that for utility scale not rooftop solar

Rooftop is more expensive than anything