Message from @Clive

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2019-09-10 03:09:18 UTC  

what would it take though?

2019-09-10 03:09:21 UTC  

to change your mind

2019-09-10 03:13:47 UTC  

How many/which of the following beliefs do you believe requires one to put forward evidence to support their claim.

The flying spaghetti monster exists.
The flying spaghetti monster does not exist.
I don't know if the flying spaghetti monster exists.

2019-09-10 03:15:01 UTC  

Thr first one only.

2019-09-10 03:15:37 UTC  

But it has nothing to do with belief.

2019-09-10 03:17:25 UTC  

Would there be a scenario where the second would need to provide evidence to support their claim? (Let's pretend they are claiming rather than believing)

2019-09-10 03:17:58 UTC  

I agreed with that...

2019-09-10 03:18:33 UTC  

Yes

2019-09-10 03:19:24 UTC  

Shit...

2019-09-10 03:19:27 UTC  

🤔

2019-09-10 03:19:28 UTC  

I meant second xD

2019-09-10 03:24:17 UTC  

It's considered a logical impossibility to prove a negative so never. But it almost makes impossible to prove. But I repeat myself. So it's both unassailable and indefensible.

2019-09-10 03:26:35 UTC  

And the 3rd option is opinion so its inconsequential

2019-09-10 03:29:17 UTC  

The only type of thing you can prove doesn't exist are things that entail logical or physical possibilities. Like a 4 sided triangle

2019-09-10 03:30:34 UTC  

Yeah, I'm trying to explain that an agnostic person doesnt need to provide a rational argument for why they find theism or athiesm unconvincing.

2019-09-10 03:31:06 UTC  

How am I supposed to provide evidence to support my opinion that the evidence for or against the existence of God hasn't convinced me?

2019-09-10 03:31:51 UTC  

Literally I can't make an argument in this regard without afferming either an athiestic or theistic position.

2019-09-10 03:33:31 UTC  

It depends, but potentially, yes.

2019-09-10 03:35:20 UTC  

Actually definitely if the philosophical point is logical, then I would accept it as evidence, though logic isn't always easily defined

2019-09-10 03:37:20 UTC  

Athiesm is the belief that God is not real. Agnosticism is the belief either that it is unprovable that God exists.

2019-09-10 03:37:55 UTC  

@DJ_Anuz another option, similar to option 1 is to prove that the non existence of god is impossible

2019-09-10 03:38:08 UTC  

Status as an atheist requires the active declaration that 'a' God cannot exist - period. That statement can only be made with certainty.

2019-09-10 03:38:09 UTC  

More loosely I see it as follows

Theist = God exists
Agnostic = I don't know if God exists, or God is unprovable.
Athiest = God does not exist.

2019-09-10 03:39:51 UTC  

I think most atheists, would rather call themselves "theological skeptics" so they can avoid the dogma of the atheist than title

2019-09-10 03:39:57 UTC  

Which is essentially my point. My position was the latter. How am I supposed to provide evidence to support that claim?

2019-09-10 03:40:14 UTC  

Which claim do you support?

2019-09-10 03:40:37 UTC  

That I find neither argument for or against the existence of God to be wholy convincing.

2019-09-10 03:41:02 UTC  

An honest position

2019-09-10 03:41:05 UTC  

Essentially, he's a dirty fence sitter

2019-09-10 03:41:10 UTC  

D I R T Y

2019-09-10 03:41:15 UTC  

Yeah, fuck fence sitters!

2019-09-10 03:41:18 UTC  

S M E A R

2019-09-10 03:41:25 UTC  

They fuck themselves by sitting on the fence anyway

2019-09-10 03:41:26 UTC  

I mean

2019-09-10 03:41:32 UTC  

Those pointy ends don't just disappear

2019-09-10 03:41:34 UTC  

Oh wait I thought I was Tulsi for a sec

2019-09-10 03:41:50 UTC  

🍆

2019-09-10 03:41:54 UTC  

I prefer sitting on walls for that reason

2019-09-10 03:41:58 UTC  

Also, Legalize, I mean

2019-09-10 03:42:03 UTC  

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.

2019-09-10 03:42:12 UTC  

Down with the fence sitters!