There is no morally sound reason to use birth control otherwise

to prevent over population (only cuz cannibalism is illegal sadly)

@Salacious Swanky Cat Except that's not its most common use

@Ragglefraggle07 doesn’t matter. The point is that the morals of how it should be used are known.

It’s not unknown

What's the point of making a rule if no one follows it?

Just the same what's the point of knowing what is moral if you aren't gonna act in that manner?

People do follow it and morality is inherently an ought. The real issue is that people argue that extra marital sex is acceptable.

Which the pill enabled the left to undermine.

Ok. So what? This doesn’t address my point. People choosing to be immoral doesn’t move the goalposts on what is moral.

Morality must be maintained in society anyways and I argue that it’s the position of the church.

Back to the original point, laws can’t govern all morality because everyone would end up being fined or jailed. It’s not feasible.

To the first point, I'm in agreement that it doesn't move the goalpost but many have argued that it does because part not acting moral is negative consequences. The pill all but absolutely mitigates pregnancy which was considered the greatest negative consequence of sex outside of marriage. To the second I also agree that it's not feasible to have laws govern morality because it works the opposite way. Laws are derived from morality.

Right. Laws are derived from morality. I totally agree with that

Intruding on that last point without reading any context. Many laws are derived from/for corporations.

🙄

To further my point on the pill. It is difficult to convince people of the virtues of living morally if living immorally yields little to no consequences.

^^^^ THIS

very true

It also doesnt pay to be anything but totally honest about the pros and cons of both

There are cons to sleeping around. There are cons to celibacy

It largely depends on the context and person, and what timescale youre working off of

and what you're looking for long term

@A. Spader Agreed

It doesn't help that every criticism of the pill I've seen is anecdotal.

You would think hearing someone say "I think people shouldn't be on the pill because it fucked me up" would be more compelling, but nope.

Well because it depends on the person, so if you aren't hitting those same symptoms you're good to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AwCM_cPFM

oof he's a hack, he's not even a real doctor. He's never even done surgery on anyone!

... Michæl CHRITON never even worked in the medical field, ¿is he now *"not a doctor"*?

he's an author so yeah he's not a doctor

...
He's consistent...

I posted a link in the link channel.

There are three potential courses of action. 1. Cover all girls nipples 2. Cover older women's nipples but expose young girl nipples. 3. Expose all nipples.

I am open to option 1 and 3. But if we live in a society where adult women cannot show their nipples due to the sexual arrousal of males in their proximity. Then why the fuck would we not hold the same standard to little girls and pedophiles?

Because Jews.

>joke I bet the kids Epstein raped didn't find it super funny...

@Joe_Limon you forgot 4.) sharia law: cover up all nipples, male and female

But I guess it's worth a bunch more kids getting raped as long as no one calls you a racist!

I bet you did. You strike me as the type who finds kids getting raped hilarious.

But I guess you getting this asshurt over me pointing out a pedophilia problem is totally normal.

These must be jewish dog whistles only jews can hear.

*"Cover all nipples"* means men would have to cover up as well.
Just saying...