Message from @Catboi
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I mean I would argue the same for any big govt project, but it still happens
Yeah, but it's even worse since he's not just fighting the Double Government he's fighting the elected politicians too.
Sure, but I doubt he couldn't have accounted for that, for one
And for another, if you're going to talk up your dealmaking the public is going to want to see tangible results. You have to maintain reasonable expectations
He has had lot of tangilble results
The people whining about the wall need to quit being such whiny cucks
We've got the Mexican Military helping us send "migrants" back
Part of this gets back into how the current set up completely fucks the incentive structure
we've basically got the cartels helping us secure the border LUL
Incentive structure for what?
Politicians
I didn't vote last election
It's more visible in dem primaries though
I'm voting this time and I'm voting Trump
Because he's the least insane option
Which I never thought I'd say about Trump
Sure, but most people are going to vote for gibs
Whichever side offers them the best personal gain
He's not losing any substantial number of voters over the Wall
Even if they're upset brainlets about the wall they're still going to vote for him.
My point was less so that, and more that the loss is part of a larger issue
???
Sure, theres definitely an aspect of this that is contingent on the Dems being retarded
but in the whole it doesn't matter
yes people will be disappointed
but he can point to the fortificationa nd building that has occured
the fact that he got Mexico to help
he literally got Mexico to help pay for the wall
Mexico sold the Presidential jet to help pay for border security.
The question is always "Compared to what"
How broadly known is that though?
So these people that are upset about the wall are going to vote for the party that has been promoting no security and welfare to illegals?
I also wouldn't be surprised if he brings up that he got Mexico to help.
I wasnt aware that the only action you could take other than vote for Trump was vote for dems
Well you can flush your vote down the toilet if you want.
Which most people do
Tbh I dont consider it "wasted" if people decide not to vote, particularly if they were uninformed
vote McaAfee 👌
I don't understand what your point is I guess.
But yeah the current incentive structure is:
Results in 4-8 years (perceived or otherwise)
Gibs, and no/few cuts to gibs
No "hard decisions"
My point is that if people dont see Trump doing enough they go back to being apathetic, because much of Trump's support base was anyway. He'll get boosted by Dems playing chicken and that getting tons of media promotion but theres very little promoting Trump himself - a natural extension of starting a war with the media (justified though it may have been)
People aren't going to be Apathetic because of how insane the dems are