@Lash-Games you're on point there. No one outside of extended family watches our children or trusted friends who share our values.

A society grows great when old men plant trees who's shade they know the will never sit in.

*they will never sit in.

@Lash-Games Unless you have such low regard for yourself or the other parent that pretty much anyone is going to do a better job.
Or you care so little for the kid you don’t care, unless it reflects badly on you.
Either is possible.

@Your_Hirsute_Friend Yes. I’m on a bit of a thing about my three sex/gender model.
Your point about the old Greek proverb is yet another great example of positive neuter.
My thanks

@Nic Harvard that are great points. Its a recent thought to me, so I am still blindly stumbling through the dark trying to work out the best arguments for it and I love those points you made 😄

I’ve never been ok with going “toxic masculinity is THE problem”
God knows I’ve seen enough of it, it exists, and I know what to do about it.
Toxic femininity I also know well but am less adept at handling.
So something else is at work, somehow entirely anti masculine AND anti feminine

@Nic Harvard I must have missed the three sex/gender model you're talking about earlier in the chat. What is that?

@Your_Hirsute_Friend I’ve been trying for over two years to put much more effort into making the absolute best argument I can for any stupid idea.

More than that actually- I recall taking two delightful young ladies home after proving decisively to an annoying engineer that astrology has a great scientific basis (it doesn’t, but the best possible argument sounds damn good)

So I’ve come up with good ways to defend things as demonstrably bad as Marxism, post-modernism, slavery, and terminal exposure of infants.

Sometimes, the kernel of truth causes me to change my mind

Male we know, female we know.... but what do we know about non-breeding humans?
Less than we know about bees

What's you're definition of a non breeding human? Incel and homosexual? Gen X?

After much thought on this, I admit that there are three actual sexes: male, female, and non-breeding

Can be all of those koala

Sorry if I seem inquisitorial. I'm honestly interested because binhad a similar conversation with a trans dude I went to high school with.

Eunuch. Young lad in armed forces. Wise old shaman. Spinster or widowed auntie

All are neuter types- but many exhibit very positive traits

That last one made me laugh because as a young lady in Armed Forces I "donated" before deployment.

*young lad

Fucking auto correct misgendering me.

What everyone labels as “toxic feminists” (and often toxic masculine) are actually neuter traits. No current desire to have or raise children.
Any children

However, still an innate desire to reproduce.
Which can be done in many (all unpleasant) ways

Making others think or act like clones of you would be one, for instance

Yeah. Apple spellcheck hates me too...

So childless leftists.

Throw away your application products

*apple products.

Fucking discord

Thanks for the run down Mate.

Childless leftist acting out are often labelled as toxic feminine. And sometimes they are.
Much more often they are simply neuters displaying the worst parts of their chosen path.

I just don’t like classification errors. They lead to unanticipated results

“Here, drink this delicious hemlock. Full of natural ingredients!”

But classification errors are indeed a toxic neuter trait.

I'm definitely picking up what you're putting down. I have 5 friends who I would classify as neutered. I'm the only blue collar raised in the bunch but also the only paired and reproducing individual.

Very smart men but they're drowning in the leftist narratives.

Try this:
Toxic might equate to fatal, very harmful, or perverted.
Anything used for the wrong purpose is toxic.
A hammer used to whack in a nail is good. Used to insert a screw, toxic. Can be done, but it’s a shitty job with inefficiency

So I want to physically intimidate and threaten you to achieve my end? Well that’s toxic, and mostly a toxic masculine thing, irrespective of your sex or sociopolitical bent

I want to smother, control you for my own benefit?
Also toxic, this time in a feminine way

That's my big problem with "toxic' sometimes intimidation is necessary.