@cap'n creamery you might be thinking of virtue, not morality.

it's incredibly difficult to measure the effects of proposed moral frameworks

vir·tue
[ˈvərCHo͞o]

NOUN
behavior showing high moral standards.

It is stupid.

you're trying to isolate specific variables out of tons of data, over large stretches of time

this means people can have low standards

which means people can have different standards.

which means its subjective

where does it say people?

Who cares? That's literally how people use logic too

that could be societal standards

you're going to have to move outside of semantics. Also feel free to address my prior claim

"proposed moral frameworks"
Every single society in existence was not built upon a "proposed moral framework". It was built by a common interest (that is also common among all species) which is to survive, and reproduce as long as possible.

Part of that common interest is not murdering people, since that goes against these biologicsl intuitions

Even the most savaged societies worked toward advancing humanity.

but thats how you deal with behaviour - a proposed moral framework

you're essentially attempting to push a particular code of conduct on the larger society, and it can be more or less effective dependent on its component parts

sometimes said efficacy is not immediately apparent. Maybe you upped productivity and everyone is feeling pretty okay now that you've gone full police state

Correct, but a "moral framework" is not the same as "morality"

sure

Objective morality is essentially the correct moral framework

is he still here?

with all other moral frameworks being "less moral"

No.. Objective morality are moral standards that are set in stone

Whether or not that is included in a moral framework is subjective

you're not actually contradicting what I've said though

ima just say that everything is intrinsically linked to value which is artificial.

Like if we can sum up Objective Morality as answers on a test, it's the set of correct answers, and all other deviations from that - the other moral frameworks mentioned prior - are less correct. But ultimately Objective Morality is still a set of posible answers on the test. It's just the most correct

Value isn't entirely artificial, though there is artificial valuation

⚠ @cap'n creamery is being retarded again ⚠

what about my post is wrong?

You are part of a species that has survived because the entirety of non defective entities want to survive, and of those the majority want to survive and procreate

Biological intuitions are not "values"

ergo there are certain value judgements that will be inbuilt, and from those other associations can be borne

We have a biological intuition to advance the human race, not a value judgement

i wasnt refering to that and biology has no effect on morality equating the two is moronic at best.

why wouldnt it have an effect on morality?

so if i think killing all low iq racial groups would advance humanity i am moraly in the right.

Our current moral framework is informed by biology

that has nothing to do with the biological imperative

what about morality has any link to biology? explain it for my pea brain please.