Message from @Clive
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But in pro-life lingo conception usually equals fertilization
So it depends on which definition you’re going with
That's the problem. No consistency
I've long thought implantation = conception = fertilization
Nope. Fertilization occurs in Fallopian tubes usually. Implantation occurs in the uterus.
But now I think that's not right but I don't have science background or education to know one way or the other
@yuma_8 yumacannyou give a simplistic timeline or order of operations?
I think conception is probably not the most precise term. Fertilization definitely is better.
Okay
You seem smart
Are you asian?
Lol thanks, I’ll do my best
I am indeed
You has the kawaii avatar
Timeline goes like this: woman and man engage in coitus. Sperm enters the woman and travels up her vagina. If the woman is in her fertile period, the cervix will be open and the environment favorable to the sperm, which can live up to 5 days. Sperm travels up into the uterus, then the Fallopian tubes. If the woman ovulates while the sperm is alive, the egg will meet the sperm usually somewhere in the tubes. Fertilization occurs at this point and pro-lifers consider this the beginning of life.
Fertilized egg begins dividing and travels down the Fallopian tubes into the uterus, then attaches to the uterine lining. This is implantation. At this point the woman’s body will begin responding to the implanted zygote and release hormones. Zygote grows into embryo, then fetus.
So roughly you have 5ish days to stop said fertilization if you want to have unprotected sex and be pro life conscious?
No, 5 days is the max that sperm can live inside a woman in ideal conditions
Once sperm is in while woman is fertile, it’s pretty much too late
You can’t stop the sperm at that point. There are millions of them.
Unless you take precautions first
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So where does something like emergency contraceptive fit into this?
Plan b and stuff
I was gonna ask that
Depends on type of contraceptive
I think most pro-lifers say that plan b is abortion
But idk why
Basically, contraception is what happens before conception, as the word implies. Plan B is used after that point.
So there are different types of emergency contraceptives. Some prevent fertilization, some prevent implantation. Those are fundamentally different
Linguistically @wolfman1911 wolis correct
@yuma_8 I imagined your avatar with glasses and a lab coat explaining that lol
One type prevents fertilization by delaying ovulation, presumably until after all the sperm have died
Lol @RoadtoDawn
Another type prevents the already fertilized egg from implanting. This is the type that most pro-lifers are against, because we consider it life at that point.
Along similar lines, rather than vouching for abortions, why don't feminists vouch for forced vasectomies for men. That takes the responsibility off the woman to need to go out of her way and get an abortion.
I’m...pretty sure they want that and I don’t want to give them ideas
Hahahaha