Message from @Beemann

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2019-08-20 03:39:01 UTC  

Finally, for all the comptetion driving the development of alt-tech platforms, that competiton just waters down the pool of those who would prioritize free speech which strengthens YT as the goto platform as those who remain, ,remain together

2019-08-20 03:41:36 UTC  

I've said forever I would pay $10 a month to access youtube. I mean, I already do, but they're still playing their censorship games. If the money came from users directly by subscriptions, you'd still have the fringes threatening boycott and the censorship would continue as it already does. The issue is not who's got the money, it's the people with the money having an absurd notion that the speech next to which they advertise has any relation to their product.

2019-08-20 03:42:23 UTC  

i would as well. but see, i can understand why they don't really have any choice and i think that is the oppurtunity

2019-08-20 03:43:56 UTC  

so YT takes all their uploads and throws them in one bucket. they then have another bucket with all the ad slots they earn money on. They can't catergoize the videos quick enough and can' t risk randomly associating say BMW with an ISIS video; so they have to yank anything even REMOTELY questionable

2019-08-20 03:45:34 UTC  

but a platform that integrated pateron support, offered embeded ads and tier subscribptions while leveraging off the users to both categorize and validate the those categories via blockchain?

2019-08-20 03:46:21 UTC  

they could offer businesses of all sizes a choice of what level of risk the company felt comfortable with using the categories

2019-08-20 03:46:53 UTC  

and users could choose to share demographic data anonoymously. 100x the advertising value.

2019-08-20 03:48:20 UTC  

An interesting take. I think it's still susceptible to the same anticompetitive tactics we see today, though. If YouTube would balls up to the bar and tell the advertisers that, no, the videos their on do not represent them and that they're not playing this one-step-behind game with the trolls, then the problem goes away.

2019-08-20 03:48:34 UTC  

*they're

2019-08-20 03:48:59 UTC  

that would bring down the social media giants cause it would be WAY more effective advetising to the group that would BUY say a BMW rather than paying for that ad to be randomly paired with say PewDiePie

2019-08-20 03:50:18 UTC  

I don't think they can do that. And frankly, the corporate marketing departs would just go elsewhere.

2019-08-20 03:50:42 UTC  

the trouble with marketing is that you can't really prove when it is wasted

2019-08-20 03:51:31 UTC  

so the corporations keep dumping money into marketing and just consider it a cost of doing business while most of the marketing is staffed by SJws

2019-08-20 03:52:58 UTC  

the entire business model isn't about competition; it's about drowning out the voice of the little guy, insuring you'll always attract enough NPC customers to stay afloat

2019-08-20 03:53:26 UTC  

afterall, branding is a hell of alot easier than staying on top of your competition

2019-08-20 03:55:29 UTC  

social media cuts through their smoke screen and that is a threat to both the corporate world and gov. they want social media muzzled. THey will let the big bois stay around but only as long as they agree to follow their rules. One side blames Russia: silence social media. The other side blames the Dems: Silence social media. And plebes on the Left and Right are too busy bickering at each other to notice.

2019-08-20 03:57:16 UTC  

Smoke and Mirrors. They both play for the same team.

2019-08-20 03:57:47 UTC  
2019-08-20 04:19:22 UTC  

mass social media platforms are tools for government and corporations. Smaller, decentralized platforms are what you would use if you wanted to really make a dent

2019-08-20 04:19:56 UTC  

which is what's being used in Hong Kong right now from what I can tell

2019-08-20 04:20:07 UTC  

either decentralized applications or nonstandard ones

2019-08-20 07:54:44 UTC  

Smaller, decentralized penises

2019-08-20 12:56:10 UTC  

@ManAnimal YouTube is definitely dying.

The old guard of YouTubers are leaving since YouTube is propping up the big corporate players. When all you see on recommendations are cable channels you know it's going to lead to an Exodus.

It's all the more reason why you don't want to be a YouTuber right now. It is hard enough to get recommended, go viral, and acrue a following several years ago, but now that the algorithm favors the big money players, your chances of making it on YouTube are nearly zero.

2019-08-20 13:22:58 UTC  

Yeah, but I don't think YouTube is ever going to die by any standard we can measure. Google is going to keep pouring money into it, no matter how much it costs, because they think it lets them control the mind of the populace.

2019-08-20 13:25:08 UTC  

Doesn't matter if it does. Myspace also exists still

2019-08-20 14:01:33 UTC  

the thing that youtube has, which no other place has, is a monstrous archive of videos

2019-08-20 14:01:34 UTC  

Yeah, just because a platform dies doesn't mean they go out of business, they just fall out of relevance.

2019-08-20 14:01:58 UTC  

So does newgrounds

2019-08-20 14:02:11 UTC  

no but videos are different

2019-08-20 14:02:16 UTC  

theyre entertaining

2019-08-20 14:02:23 UTC  

people actually like to watch old videos

2019-08-20 14:02:30 UTC  

especially if they havent watched them before

2019-08-20 14:02:46 UTC  

plus all the already big players will stay on youtube

2019-08-20 14:03:07 UTC  

itll just become an echo chamber for existing users

2019-08-20 14:03:18 UTC  

(at least on the political side)

2019-08-20 14:04:21 UTC  

(i thought you meant news media lmao woops)

2019-08-20 14:04:43 UTC  

It won't be easy, but already multiple high profile creators have been leaving YouTube. It won't happen overnight but eventually, unless YouTube stops pandering to corporate players will end up hemoraging users and other services will fill the void.

2019-08-20 14:04:57 UTC  

who though

2019-08-20 14:05:00 UTC  

alex jones was banned