Message from @Hawk1213

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2019-09-30 21:15:39 UTC  

or the most destructive

2019-09-30 21:16:15 UTC  

You're going to have to provide proof of both of those, without resorting to giving Jews credit for German output as well :^)

2019-09-30 21:16:26 UTC  

Related to the libertarian discussions up above: I may be so bold as to say that Matt and I both likely fall under the "paleolibertarian" label, trying to balance out our desire for a conservative culture with the skepticism of government power to make that desire a reality

2019-09-30 21:17:13 UTC  

I'd say I'm largely on the same page as Matt, as far as I can tell

2019-09-30 21:17:39 UTC  

I don't know what he would make of some of my newer, growing convictions

2019-09-30 21:19:48 UTC  

It's a difficult balance, to be sure

2019-09-30 21:20:41 UTC  

Oh I mean I think universal franchise with no strings was maybe a mistake

2019-09-30 21:22:49 UTC  

I'd probably agree

2019-09-30 21:31:46 UTC  

Hell, I think Matt would too if I remember his comments correctly. The problem is that he doesn't have a good idea of what some ideal requirements would be

2019-09-30 21:33:02 UTC  

Ive never even heard of the expression "paleolibertarian before"
The more you know

2019-09-30 21:33:15 UTC  

wut

2019-09-30 21:33:17 UTC  

I've been trying to dismantle the Heinlein/SST requirement of serving your country and having right to serve being a central guarantee. I can't really find any reason to ditch it

2019-09-30 21:33:53 UTC  

I think everyone should serve at some capacity imo

2019-09-30 21:34:51 UTC  

I don't think it should be forced but the tradeoff is no vote

2019-09-30 21:34:56 UTC  

Maybe not serve, but atleast go through basic training

2019-09-30 21:35:07 UTC  

Reserves

2019-09-30 21:35:41 UTC  

As far as the socially liberal/conservative thing goes, I tend to look at what's worked and what doesn't and go from there. I think it should be up to communities though

2019-09-30 21:36:03 UTC  

Well like I said before I'd want any public schooling to include education on firearms and first aid

2019-09-30 21:36:10 UTC  

I tried real hard to figure out the most succinct way of explaining my political views to someone. So the combo of paleoconservative and libertarian seems to work

2019-09-30 21:36:19 UTC  

As per 2A being a necessary component of civics

2019-09-30 21:36:27 UTC  

We just need to get back at a society of the mindset, what can we do for the country instead of the other way around, like JFK said famously before he got yeeted

2019-09-30 21:36:49 UTC  

I dont think that saves you from the current mindset though

2019-09-30 21:36:54 UTC  

There's a Wikipedia article for it an everything

2019-09-30 21:37:02 UTC  

AOC thinks she's doing good things for her country

2019-09-30 21:37:23 UTC  

AOC needs to be thrown out of a helicopter

2019-09-30 21:38:04 UTC  

I prefer to think of it in terms of "Am I both comfortable with myself and/or my opponent having this power?"

2019-09-30 21:38:31 UTC  

I like the idea of conscription tbh, seems to be working really well for Switzerland atleast

2019-09-30 21:39:20 UTC  

Not a fan of "you were born here so we can vote for you to go die for us"

2019-09-30 21:39:39 UTC  

But we already have that

2019-09-30 21:39:44 UTC  

The draft?

2019-09-30 21:39:50 UTC  

Beemann, Heinlein has the most consistent vision of civic nationalism I've ever heard. Except maybe for Islam.

2019-09-30 21:40:01 UTC  

Yes, already having it doesn't make it good

2019-09-30 21:40:21 UTC  

Agreed, dev

2019-09-30 21:41:32 UTC  

For starters, service is more than military
As a followup, I dont think you can give the state the ability to force people into service without making severe structural sacrifices that will lead to more abuse down the line

2019-09-30 21:42:01 UTC  

The US continues to be my favourite example of both the good and bad of its own system, and the stated goals of that system

2019-09-30 21:47:12 UTC  

I just think everyone should be trained on how to defend their country. With military training also comes how to safely handle weapons etc etc.

But I of course recognize that there are authoritarian elements of implementing such a system

2019-09-30 21:47:50 UTC  

I would only go so far as a basic understanding of firearms and training in their use, again as part of civics education

2019-09-30 21:48:04 UTC  

Im not dismissing that.

2019-09-30 21:49:58 UTC  

Everything beyond that is up to the citizen. Part of liberty is trusting people to look out for their own interests, and allowing (in a legal sense) them to make bad decisions within the confines of fundamental law

2019-09-30 21:50:00 UTC  

Switzerland is also militantly neutral, so there's less chance of dying on behalf of Afghanistan when your time comes to enlist. I have serious reservations about mandatory service combined with the way the US utilizes its military around the world

2019-09-30 21:50:27 UTC  

Honestly, Im also really fucking sick of anti-american estrogen damaged soyboys who gets so triggered by the word obese that they have to take a 15 min timeout in their safe space