Now that we've had a couple decades of observable results how utterly degenerate and unproductive to everyone kids from single homes are on average compared to nuclear families.

like specifically to raise children single or like "it's OK" instead of like "DO IT HOE"

Well I think on average, single parenthood has had statistical observable negative results.

like my existence

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Like this maybe be contriversial, but I'd say Black People on average in America have it worse then average.

only on a right leaning server you'd have to use that prefixing lol

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In a lot of major cities the single mother rate is near 80-90%, but I'd argue the fundamentals to raise a kid are all provided.

Kids are not starving, unhoused, or without education.

I still want to know whether there are stats re: single fatherhood

Its really rare.

it just sounds like it's so rare it's not even a statistical anomaly

In as city of a million, how many divorced dads who got the kids do you think you could find?

10?

literally 10 people?

personally though I know my spawn is missing out on a lot of stuff by not having a mother figure

yeah not even gonna bet it's that high

I think Dads bring at least structure and order,

As long as the kid doesn't starve or get caught in farm equipment, I'd bet he comes out better able to deal with life.

If he gets through those first 10 years, which I bet 50-100 years ago would have been MUCH lower %

lmao

ye I guess

But to tack onto your point

I know it's anecdotal, but I look at my mother, for one, to see that feminism has just outright lied to these girls

ie girls of our generation (I assume we're around the same age?) and younger

Yeah I'm 35-40

The message is build a career, _then_ a family

Grew up listening to NPR with big happy stars in my eyes.

Ah you're a bit older than I am

but yeah, still applies I think

The thing I've seen working has been build a family, _and then_ a career

Oh its just gotten worse.

Cause I mean... wouldn't it make sense to have the kids grow up _before_ you devote yourself to working?

The message is somehow guys who work ARENT building a family.

Thats idiotic, men want a family as much as anyone, they work because thats what they're good at.

So that the interruption of being pregnant and giving birth and raising a kid doesn't come _while_ you're working?

it just boggles my mind

Hahaha

I've told my spawn if she has plans of having kids to have them early

Plus you can do the motherhood thing when you have tons of energy and can stay up all night.