i dont need first hand experience to determine if something is objectively better

personal anecdotes are good enough reasons

aren't*

My mother and sister are both maternity nurses. They're elbow deep in birth every day

That connected enough for you?

"if you didnt do this, then you cant talk"
ok boomer

Obviously not everybody can do it. If you have health problems, then you should go to a hospital. Otherwise you're over paying and getting unnecessary treatments.

healthy women can have complications still

Absolutely

excessive bleeding, baby getting stuck in the birth canal, etc

baby not breathing

etc etc

First day on the job, my sister had a woman who nearly died. No history of complications, no drug use. Her blood pressure crashed, nearly died and would of taken the baby with her

But she didn't because she was in a fucking hospital

💯

Not in a tub at home having a baby with some woo woo fucking witch doctor

Guys, just do some research. This is not as crazy as you think it is. We've all been conditioned to think we need doctors for this when it's not strictly necessary.

We've been conditioned by watching women and babies die and wanting to stop it

LOL "guys do research and educate yourself"

no one is arguing that its necessary, they are arguing that's its safer

It's absolutely safer

yup

if youre cool with a higher infant mortality rate within your family, then go right ahead bro.

If you want to have kids at home, have it. But you're unnecessarily risking the life of your wife and child, for no reason at all

plus an increased risk of being a single father

LawlBertarians

Its not strictly necessary for me to drive with a seatbelt but I don't wanna die in an accident so I wear one

Owen Benjamin and VoxDay don't think the GrOYpers are organic

This kind is just an outgrowth of not appreciating how good we have it.

When a hospital indices labor on an otherwise healthy woman just to free up the hospital bed, then had to perform a c-section because they broke her water, that isn't safer. Hospitals do a lot of procedures just in case that aren't necessary which can precipitate more complications.

Every procedure has risks too.

We're so used to child birth being safe and easy we think it natually is, and don't appreciate the work and time and medical effort it took to get us here

citation need on hospitals inducing labor simply to free up the bed

yea straight up calling bullshit on that one too

The citation is his head, which is the only place that happens

they dont normally opt for a c-section

sounds like something they'd do here in Leafistan or Britbongabad

just for the hell of it

The women that are in labor for 30 hours would fucking kill to have that happen

Really depends on the hospital

some are very much pushing the C-Section because they believe it's better