it was sticking to principle and paying the price

thats why it is based

@GutsherrAkrobat please put on push to talk

not because it is good

So Zeus was advocating for those policies

if you want to do socialism in RL yes

I guess contextual text analysis is hard

Okay, I'm glad we agree that Zeus is a Stalin fan

as I understand it Zeus is not a commie 😛

Oh I know, he's likely not. A lot of authoritarians who need a strong leader to tell them in what direction to march find Stalin attractive.

its just that if you want to do communism you end up in best case with Stalinism or maybe something like Maosism

or you can cry about "no true socialism"

which is just baby-speak disregarding the idea of learning from experience

@GutsherrAkrobat not all communists are authoritarian

read what nuance is

you are either authoritarian nightmare fuel or end up a hippy in a French commune that dissolves 5 years later

anarchists are communist's doesn't mean they are Marxist Leninists

in RL there is not much in between

Look at all these happy, smiling faces

(Yes, that's Tito smiling)

Tito is loved even by right wingers which is pretty cool @Morf

Who here has not taken the Tito pill yet?

The USSR was socialist insofar as modern-day capitalism is socialist.
`a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.`
If you narrow to the scope of 'community' to mean the Party/Bourgeoisie, then we've done it, boys and girls. We're socialist.

market socialism is the only way we can transition from a liberal democracy to more socialistic economy @Morf

that's my opinion

China is all about to produce the material basis to finalize communism where the other socialists failed

I don't know if it's the ONLY way, but it seems like the best way given the current social structure.

skipping all the gay reforms and implementing it at the very end

pretty sure china is it's own thing really

even implying that the Chinese communist party isn't doing communism is just weird

or just an ignorant take of what the price of big steps just happens to be 😛

@Master, remember the Athenians. historical materialism is the worst take of history

it's the most accurate

literally makes you learn less from history

its the most deluded analysis of history

@actual_communist_boi

even Hegelian idealist historicism is better