I can't imagine how this is a novel idea

```Nevertheless, the reply reveals that a mental fictionalist ought to be a kind of quietist. ``` I'm kind of biting, but that's just not the case... you can be a fictionalists of all sorts, enjoy saying false things, knowing they're literally false

So........ you're not bound to norms of old pragmatic discourse. IE: You ought not assert X unless you think X is true

Warranted assertibility

You'd want to live in the best world possible that benifits you not other people lol

If having African slaves benifits you and you were an egoist your want that

Yes? Generally? I mean, I think the world that best benefits me also happens to benefit others.

A world where I have a consumptive demand for the african slaves making blood diamonds is a better world where there isn't the demand

Granted, there's *an even better conceivable world* where there's a different demand, rather than blood diamonds

@sydtko not necessarily unless part of the benifit to you is some emotional attachment you have to people and value you place on them

Well, this is all fictional discourse, right?

So the demonstration of the principle is that hypothesizing and constructing counterfactual situations are fictions, they are not literally true

So we've slipped into fictionalism... as always happens

So it's like... what do you want from me? To legitimately have the emotional attachment to them? Because I don't think I'll ever have that

Or do you want me to speak about the principles or belief system I have on how one ought to think about this type of hypothetical?

I don't really care if you have emotional attachment to them or place some kind of moral value on people. I don't generally

Ok, so my emotional attachment seems irrelevant now. So what did you want answered?

I'm not asking you to answer anything lol I'm just saying what benifits you isn't necessary what benifits others so this idea that utilitarianism is generally what egoists want is silly

Why is that silly? If I imagine people slaving away in African, that sounds undesirable

Just the idea of merely imaging it is unpleasant

Boredom, drudgery

Heat, humidity

And idc because I benifit from it

:^)

<:pepeLMAO:644901342216847388> fair enough

Yeah, same. I benefit from the byproduct of their labor, yes

Ye

I wasn't sure if that's what you meant to say? If you benefit from making me annoyed imagining this hypothetical?

Or receiving the benefits of their labor

Also, it could be both

I see

Enjoying the benefits + enjoying triggering someone

Enjoying the benifits is all

You, I think, most likely... people forced to live in those conditions or merely watch people slave their lives away will necessarily be more empathic towards them though

@Castore You should look over the syllogism and see how it's very bad... intuitively

And there's an equivocation... I went over it twice

@sydtko i think we should norms of assertion based on moores paradox but i dont think thats what the objection above is about this is about,you would have to look into the multiple cognitive collapse objections he makes tbh .

```P1. According to the anti-realist about morality, there are no categorical normative reasons.
p2. If there are no categorical normative reasons, then there are no epistemic reasons for belief.
p3. But there are epistemic reasons for belief.
p4. So there are categorical reasons. (From 2, 3)
c. So the moral anti-realist theory is false. (From 1, 4)```

Yay

And this is why writing is way more important / valuable

He's going from a particular to a general, so he's actually hiding the induction in the deductive premise