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🆙 | **David the Communist leveled up!**

@Methode where is muh empirics

also shame on ya'll for your treatment of syllogisms

I’m sad

It was your claim

You literally flipped tooics

My question was for you to provide empirics

That the us has net increased destabilization in the region

While it's a truism in leftist discourse

The evidence for it Is pretty lacking

you said you were getting me evidence for the claim you made that the war and subsequent occupation were good for our economy

now you're backing off that claim?

That was a good 30 minutes after you changed topics

that's the empirics i'm looking for

The original conversation we were having ass you depending the claim we destabilized the region

and you said it was something easy to find

I never claimed invading Iraq was good

https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/index.html

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

ok?

Now answer the question I asked you over thirty minutes before the "is the iraq war good" Exchange took place

Whats the évidence that the us had net destablizdd the région that isn't speculation from specific incidents

so this is the evidence that the iraq war was good for our economy?

I asked you for evidence first

I'm not answering anything else until you provide it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1446152/Saddam-offered-Bush-a-huge-oil-deal-to-avert-war.html

that's fine if you are backing off the claim you made, which was the interesting part

Sure

Now answer the claim you made

the claim i made was that us intervention was a primary cause of instability in the middle east and one of the things i cited, besides lets say the coups and embargos and etc, was like the iraq war; you made the claim that it was the pullout that was the real cause and that this shift from 'intervention' to 'pullout' is such that it we cannot predicate blame on the united states for the instability that followed, do i have this correct?

Let's say you're right about it iraq

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Now prove the us is the primary cause in general

i just realised that this is too much of an indepth discussion involving everything from embargoes to wars, so instead i'll just keep this conceptually simple:
the united states was instrumental and causal to major regime changes that resulted in massive economic instability along with domestic instability, wich had effects along the lines of unemployment and conflict and because of our background information we can say that the united states's foriegn policy decision, such as forced regime changed, to be either causal to general instability or at least an inhibiter for stability

So no?

Alright

@Sasha ye 1 sec

idk why its quiet

still not working? fuck