Message from @Tedium

Discord ID: 323622146913861632


2017-06-12 00:28:13 UTC  

I had to lay down the law.

2017-06-12 00:28:36 UTC  

Italian fascism looked back to Ancient Rome, as did the original USA (fascist iconography everywhere in DC!). That may matter to some.

2017-06-12 00:28:58 UTC  

We went so astray from any idea of the Founders.

2017-06-12 00:29:16 UTC  

Once usury and finance power won, without a leader like Jackson, shiieett.

2017-06-12 00:29:52 UTC  

To be sure. It's still something to bring up, makes things hella awkward for the "muh Constitution" conservatives

2017-06-12 00:29:53 UTC  

Iconography doesn't really change the ideology, naturally we have different iconography as well.

2017-06-12 00:32:28 UTC  

I guess you could broadly define fascism as non-nazi application of the universal truth, but unless there's a national component to it, makes it kinda weird why the difference would really matter. Like, if a Slovak for example identified as a fascist because he really identified with Tiso instead of Hitler, fair enough, I guess, but otherwise, y tho dude

2017-06-12 00:34:49 UTC  

but yeah tl;dr same thing

2017-06-12 00:37:16 UTC  

Well

2017-06-12 00:37:20 UTC  

Kind of

2017-06-12 00:37:37 UTC  

Fascism often lacks on the racial questions

2017-06-12 00:37:39 UTC  

Interestingly though, in Slovakia's case, the guy who just made into parlament used to larp wartime fascist, then went full 1488 and got elected

2017-06-12 00:37:43 UTC  

so " fascists were NS who hadn't read Mein Kampf." is true here I guess

2017-06-12 00:37:52 UTC  

Where has fascism lacked racial question?

2017-06-12 00:38:02 UTC  

Mussolini

2017-06-12 00:38:14 UTC  

Already in 1919 Mussolini said that Italy is unified by one racial spirit and struggle to maintain it.

2017-06-12 00:38:16 UTC  

sec

2017-06-12 00:38:39 UTC  

I've heard that from an Italian Fascist as well, though I question the extent to which that is accurate

2017-06-12 00:38:42 UTC  

He didn't act on the JQ until Hitler pressured him

2017-06-12 00:38:50 UTC  

-Speech in Trieste, September 20, 1920

“I have an unbounded faith in the future greatness of the Italian people. Ours is, among the European peoples, the largest and most homogeneous. … Unlike the pessimists who believe that everything is great in other people’s houses, while everything is too small in their own, we have pride in our race and our history.”

2017-06-12 00:38:52 UTC  

From my understanding

2017-06-12 00:38:55 UTC  

Bullshit tho.

2017-06-12 00:38:57 UTC  

Sorry.

2017-06-12 00:39:04 UTC  

-Speech in Trieste, February 6, 1921

“How then was this Fascismo born… it was born of the profound and perennial need of this our Mediterranean and Aryan race…”

2017-06-12 00:39:41 UTC  

But when did he expel the Jews?

2017-06-12 00:40:10 UTC  

“Well we, Fascisti, want to bring into every city, into every part of the country, even the most remote, the pride and passion of belonging to the most noble Italian race; the race which has produced Dante, which has given Galileo, the greatest masterpieces of art, Verdi, Mazzini, Garibaldi and d’Annunzio to the world, and which has produced the people who won Vittorio Veneto.”
-Speech in Ferrara, April 4, 1920

2017-06-12 00:40:25 UTC  

“In the first place she (the Italian nation) has a sure foundation, and that is the vitality of our race.”
-Speech in Trieste, September 20, 1920
“I have an unbounded faith in the future greatness of the Italian people. Ours is, among the European peoples, the largest and most homogeneous. … Unlike the pessimists who believe that everything is great in other people’s houses, while everything is too small in their own, we have pride in our race and our history.”
-Speech in Trieste, February 6, 1921
“How then was this Fascismo born… it was born of the profound and perennial need of this our Mediterranean and Aryan race…”
-Speech in Bologna, April 3, 1921
“…we feel those bonds of race to be alive and vital which bind us, not only to the Italians of Zara, Ragusa and Cattaro, but also to those of the Canton Ticino and Corsica, to those beyond the oceans, to all that great family of fifty million men whom we wish to unite in the same pride of race.”
-Speech in Bologna, April 3, 1921

2017-06-12 00:40:46 UTC  

“Italy is not a State, she is a nation, because from the Alps to Sicily there is the fundamental unity of our race, our customs, our language and our religion.”
-Speech in Milan, October 4, 1922
“It must not be forgotten that, besides the minority that represent actual militant politics, there are forty millions of excellent Italians who work, by their splendid birth-rate perpetuate our race…”
-Speech Delivered in the Chamber, November 16, 1922
“We, here and everywhere, are ready for any battle so that we may uphold the foundations of our race and of our history.”
-Speech in London, December 12, 1922
“Let me first of all say how happy I am that we should have met in these magnificent rooms which furnish evidence of the strength and beauty of our race.”
-Speech in Rome, January 2, 1923

2017-06-12 00:40:47 UTC  

TL;DR

2017-06-12 00:41:00 UTC  

Even if he didn't ourright want to rope kikes he wasn't colorblind, I mean cmon lol

2017-06-12 00:41:12 UTC  

I could go on but yeah.

2017-06-12 00:41:17 UTC  

sec

2017-06-12 00:41:36 UTC  

@Tedium “…Fascism, representing an irresistible movement for the regeneration of the race, was bound to carry with it this island where the Italian race is manifested so superbly.”
-Speech in Cagliari, June 12, 1923

2017-06-12 00:41:43 UTC  

**NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE BRO**

2017-06-12 00:41:45 UTC  

I guess the question is, did he consider Jews Italian?

2017-06-12 00:42:01 UTC  

I know Italians generally don't, but still

2017-06-12 00:42:06 UTC  

Lemme getchu wisdom on Mussolini & JQ

2017-06-12 00:42:11 UTC  

ok thx

2017-06-12 00:43:30 UTC  

I think whether a person calls himself a Fascist or National Socialist is a matter of preference--for Americans, anyway. I think we have the same goals and ideology, up until it gets into the deeper side of spirituality. That's speaking as an American in 2017.

2017-06-12 00:44:09 UTC  

TL;DR can't find Mussolini's essay on Nietzsche's Übermensch but Mussolini blamed jews for destroying Roman Empire in like 1905

2017-06-12 00:45:06 UTC  

"If Petrograd (Pietrograd) does not yet fall, if [General] Denikin is not moving forward, then this is what the great Jewish bankers of London and New York have decreed. These bankers are bound by ties of blood to those Jews who in Moscow as in Budapest are taking their revenge on the Aryan race that has condemned them to dispersion for so many centuries. In Russia, 80 percent of the managers of the Soviets are Jews, in Budapest 17 out of 22 people's commissars are Jews. Might it not be that bolshevism is the vendetta of Judaism against Christianity?? It is certainly worth pondering. It is entirely possible that bolshevism will drown in the blood of a pogrom of catastrophic proportions. World finance is in the hands of the Jews. Whoever owns the strongboxes of the peoples is in control of their political systems. Behind the puppets (making peace) in Paris, there are the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Schiffs, the Guggenheims who are of the same blood who are conquering Petrograd and Budapest. Race does not betray race....Bolshevism is a defense of the international plutocracy. This is the basic truth of the matter. The international plutocracy dominated and controlled by Jews has a supreme interest in all of Russian life accelerating its process of disintegration to the point of paroxysm. A Russia that is paralyzed, disorganized, starved, will be a place where tomorrow the bourgeoisie, yes the bourgeoisie, o proletarians will celebrate its spectacular feast of plenty."