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2019-02-25 19:44:04 UTC  

>Turkic
>"Native" Bulgarians

2019-02-25 19:44:07 UTC  

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2019-02-25 19:44:16 UTC  

Turks migrated from the Asian steppe, that's an oxymoron.

2019-02-25 19:44:34 UTC  

Unless Bulgaria was absolutely empty before Turkish arrival.

2019-02-25 19:44:40 UTC  

Well, just like Slavs and Hungarians

2019-02-25 19:44:46 UTC  

So

2019-02-25 19:45:20 UTC  

And not, Turkish, Turkic
They are very sensitive about the difference from what I've found

2019-02-25 19:45:57 UTC  

Hungarians are certainly up for debate, but I dont recall slavs migrating from the steppe.

2019-02-25 19:46:43 UTC  

Hungarians are basically magyarised Slavs, since they've always were a minority there
But the question still remains

2019-02-25 19:47:37 UTC  

Hungary got super fucked over the years and then moreso after the treaties cut up the nation around the 1800's. I wouldn't be surprised if the average Hungarian was more German than Magyar at this point.

2019-02-25 19:47:47 UTC  

And even if you insist on stating that Slavs are white, wouldn't the mixing with other steppe people make us non-white or at least non-pure in result?

2019-02-25 19:47:59 UTC  

Yes it would, and that's where the differences lie.

2019-02-25 19:48:02 UTC  

Nobody is white

2019-02-25 19:48:16 UTC  

Slavs, out of the box are white. However your average Russian isn't 100% pure slav.

2019-02-25 19:48:36 UTC  

The origin of Slavs is debatable, but I think that most of ethnologists agree that they come from the Steppe

2019-02-25 19:49:26 UTC  

Well, no one is a "pure" Slav after centuries of mixing with Tatars, Avars, Turkic people and different Finno-Ugric tribes

2019-02-25 19:49:43 UTC  

And Germs of course, but that would probably make them more, not less white

2019-02-25 19:50:26 UTC  

Yeah and then Stalin's rapid collectivism pretty much guaranteed that Russians were gonna be an asiatic people from then on.

2019-02-25 19:50:41 UTC  

Moving people around to all sorts of places all over the USSR.

2019-02-25 19:50:54 UTC  

How jewish of him

2019-02-25 19:50:59 UTC  

Yeah (((weird)))

2019-02-25 19:52:49 UTC  

I wouldn't say that anything that Stalin did would matter at this point
Relocations in Russia has begun during the Imperial rule

2019-02-25 19:54:26 UTC  

All the dead Ukrainians didn’t help

2019-02-25 19:54:49 UTC  

From what I know of imperial rule the shit that the Tsar was pushing was more akin to colonialism and settlement of the interior. Not based on shoring up labor shortages or getting access to resources like Stalin was pushing so hard for.

2019-02-25 19:55:20 UTC  

Although it was surely about resources, I dont think it was done in the same vein as Stalin's crack at it.

2019-02-25 19:55:35 UTC  

I don't see much difference tbh

2019-02-25 19:55:36 UTC  

That said I dont know as much about imperial Russia.

2019-02-25 19:56:07 UTC  

Baltic fleet

2019-02-25 19:56:10 UTC  

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2019-02-25 19:56:35 UTC  

The main difference is that there were much more Poles and Lithuanians resettled during the Tsarist rule, but that's pretty obvious

2019-02-25 19:56:57 UTC  

There's still a considerable number of Poles in Syberia and Kazakhstan because of that

2019-02-25 19:57:44 UTC  

In my country there is problem

2019-02-25 19:57:58 UTC  

I mean, because of GULAG to, but during the communist rule it was mainly Russians and Ukrainians who would get resettled East

2019-02-25 19:58:07 UTC  

What's the problem and what's the country?

2019-02-25 20:00:08 UTC  

Ignore that

2019-02-25 20:01:01 UTC  

How many people were sent to the gulags roughly?

2019-02-25 20:02:15 UTC  

Hard to say, especially because we don't have access to the official data

2019-02-25 20:02:47 UTC  

If we're speaking only about people send to lagers in gulag system, it was few hundreds of thousands iirc

2019-02-25 20:03:13 UTC  

>Figures supposedly compiled by the Gulag administration itself (and released by Soviet historians in 1989) show that a total of 10 million people were sent to the camps in the period from 1934 to 1947. The true figures remain unknown.

2019-02-25 20:03:39 UTC  

Shit, I probably mixed the numbers with numbers of Poles in lagers