again, i dont know or care much about the American situation, but i know thats emphatically not true for Europe

Sources, please?

do you speak dutch?

Not exactly

oof

ill try and see if i can get you some english-language stuff then

whats the exact claim you'd like proof for?

I guess there isn't one, at the moment. Let's start out with an ingredient list.

yeet

ill give you the initiative

It was your claim that European vaccinations weren't the same so I'd like you to back that up.

oh, i think you got me wrong

Perhaps. The way it ran seemed that way.

i dont know or care if my information applies to America or not, just like i dont know or care if it applies to China or Indonesia or whatever other faraway country you'd like to name, but i do know that vaccines as they are adminstered on this side of the Atlantic absolutely _are_ subjected to rigorous testing

Produce those testings.

again

thats gonna be rather hard if you dont speak dutch, but ill try

Well, aren't they mostly form GlaxoSmith-cline?

Test should be sufficient for both areas.

I'll look at all opposing opinions or arguments. I'm not gonna ignore or refuse to examine any evidence.

But are the tests done that well is diff question.

i'd like to be clear on the fact that i am not necessarily pro-vaccine--i just think that its silly that so many Americans like to think that their (admittedly terrible) legislation on the subject is somehow universal

I'm not saying that, but I am saying nearly every vaccination should be avoided at all cost. Some people might be able to fight off the effects, but they ***will*** affect many.

So.. ten seconds of research shows this..

do you have a similar position on the rest of modern medicine?

If I find adequate reason and evidence of what they affect, then of course. I haven't gone through all of the pharmaceuticals because there are far more of those than vaccinations, but I intend to.

i see

what course of action would you recommend one who is in need of medical services in one way or another to take, then?

Antipsychotics and Antidepressants suck

If someone breaks an arm, you're of course going to need to deal with that, accordingly. However, when it comes to the pain management, there could be other forms of relief without addictive narcotics.

oh, on that we can agree

well... what would be an easy alt for m opioids?

Kratom?

That's all ik

Yeah, those are pretty nasty bits. Weight gain, added depression, suicidal thoughts from altering your brain chemistry, insomnia, addiction, your body slowing and eventually ceasing the production of certain chemicals.
Yes, antipsychotics and antidepressants are horrendous.

opioids _can_ be warranted in very extreme circumstances (i have a mate who fell out of a flat once and broke every bone in his body)

the problem with them is more that they are prescribed for every remotely annoying little ache

Docs get arrested now for prescribing it

Yes, I don't agree with how commonly they use it.

So people get in pain because it's so bad the epidemic

Used it. You're right, they have stopped that for a large part.