The Ukrainian government in 2014 gave a figure of 3.9 million.

it's not that simplistic

The whole refugee bs in europe is also on americans

How?

The us fucked with saddam

Sadam used chemical weapons in halabja, and did a lot of other atrocities too.

Replaced him with isis

Started this entire shit show

Maybe i should make a list of them all so you can understand.

Saddam used weapons the west first sold him, and even helped to pic targets

I know ronald reagan sold him that, but again he used it, its not the chemicals that did it themselves.

but the revenue was to smal so they got rid of the customer 🙂

We gave saddam the green light on Kuwait

And we did some bendy bendy and fucked him somehow

Also Kuwait wasn’t remotely that important for oil

We get most of our oil domestically

Saddam also sent people to their Deaths against Iran, and is guilty for crimes against humanity breaking most of the human rights conventions, but then again most of those nations do that, america has done a lot of shit in the middle east yeah, but they arent the only ones to blame. America is right now assisting in the genocide of the yeminis by selling weapons to the saudis who are using them to kill the yeminis.

I think Americans expected Saddam to be more violent... especially towards Iran - but was a disappointment

Only 12 percent from the Persian gulf

And 8 percent of that is Saudi Arabian

I think its fucked up that the UN doesnt step in and tell the saudis to back off from yemen

but then again the US is selling the weapons for oil

The un is a fucking joke

Where i'm from - the Yemen thing ain't even on a news.. not even on a side-notes really.

Its not on our news either, i think this world is so fucked up, Israel, Saudiarabia and other states like these are allowed to thrive while others are taken down when they arent as bad, even if they still are bad.

If Israel just didnt become the new version of the 3rd reich it would be able to provide a good life for all citizens there, but they choose tyranny, like hamas, both of them are different sides of the same coin, racist and evil. organizations both of them.

Its a mix of predatory crony capitalism and ethno nationalism @EzkealSutekh

I keep saying that nationalism is so last century

Its the measles of the nascent political class that arose post feudalism

Well both of their religions are also ethnocentric so that does not help either.

Eh, you can convert to Judaism and Islam.

Its more nationalist than anything.

Pan Arabism from the Muslim side

Won't matter much longer anyway. Climate change will soon render much of those areas uninhabitable.

My point was just that this behaviour of excluding and exclusivity is not a new concept to them, saudi arabia is closed for non muslims, judaism tells jews that they are special chosen people, and they have used this to justify their actions. Nationalism isnt that prevalent in arabic countries, they define themselves as shias or sunnis and have attacked each other based on that, like 2 halves of 2 countries attack 2 halves of another country, where its shia and sunni who are at war.

These religions make ethnic groups become ethnoreligious groups because of how much of their identity and culture becomes part of it.

This is where predatory crony capitalism comes in.

Without the west pumping them full of money and weapons they'd be useless shapes in the sand.

They would be better off without the weapons for their oil, while they had horrible dictators, their countries were actually doing something for themselves, with actual nice infrastructure and civilization.

Profits dictate that we cannot sanction them and therefore we continue to fund them equipped morals have no place when the shareholders profits are in danger

But that is why there is a bit of regulation, no market is completely free, not even in the US.