Does 5.56 and the like negate the need for another cartridge that can penetrate armor?

We haven't fought opponents who could afford body armor ever

And the SOP for if you see some nigga in a vest is shoot him the the groin/pelvis

black out his legs tarkov style

Basically

Like pistols are basically irrelevant on the military side

Like the army adopting those garbage ass Sigs basically proves it

They need something cuz niggas want to be strapped

But if they mattered they wouldn't have gone with the cheapest option

Makes sense.

Have you seen literally any organized military group of any size adopt anything in 5.7 on a large scale? No.

belgium

dab

waffle niggas

Not really

standard issue SFG pistol

dab

Like the whole 5.7 and 4.8 pdw memes were cuz nato was like oh shit nigga the comie paratroopers got body armor bro and our truck drivers got 1911s n shit

well they were afraid of soviet surplus armor being sold off to taliban niggas

The were worried about behind the line niggas getting run up on by parachute dudes

The whole "pdw caliber" thing (and SMGs as a whole) has essentially been negated by the proliferation of short ARs.

No, and I was asking why given that it can penetrate armor when fired out of a pistol with a magazine as large as some rifles.

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Na the OG development was for commies @gooks

5.7 was made in the late 90s

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Like the development request came from nato pre fall of the ussr

Essentially, why have a sig MPX when you can have an MCX?

Nobody had it ready before the collapse

whats the recoil like compared to 9mm?

Similar

o ok

aite

But yeah towlheads in shitty Russian armor is the modern justification

but it never happened bc the Russians kept it since they couldn't afford anything 😂

Yup

Same with all them SVDs

US was mad worried about the middle East drowning in SVDs and booling our boys

can svds penn plates?

I've been wondering about that too. Why are all these PDWs and SMGs like the P90 (which I love to look at but not much more), and to some extent PCCs, exist when short ARs are a thing? What does an MP5 bring to the table over that?

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