Message from @Gray ☭

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2018-07-02 21:18:46 UTC  

Build a base of opposition, arm them, train them

2018-07-02 21:19:13 UTC  

What government is in charge of the Cuban island?

2018-07-02 21:19:30 UTC  

Communist party of Cuba

2018-07-02 21:20:19 UTC  

As guaranteed by the US in the treaty made

2018-07-02 21:20:35 UTC  

no, they've been trying to change that forever

2018-07-02 21:20:57 UTC  

Where was their word broken? Espionage? The same way they Cubans have infiltrated the US and sold hundreds of state secrets on the black market?

2018-07-02 21:21:22 UTC  

They've been moving into a position to change the government, it sorta indicates that they don't give a shit about it

2018-07-02 21:21:30 UTC  

If you’re going to use espionage as an example of breaking the deal, then Cuba is just as guilty

2018-07-02 21:21:43 UTC  

yeah because you're dealing with the US lol

2018-07-02 21:21:55 UTC  

And?

2018-07-02 21:22:12 UTC  

Additionally, the cases of Russia (rigging their elections and then when they don't play ball with you cry foul), Iran (obey us or else), etc

2018-07-02 21:22:48 UTC  

and the US aren't trustworthy so you'd want to take defensive positions

2018-07-02 21:23:04 UTC  

You’re acting as if these nations have done absolutely nothing

2018-07-02 21:23:05 UTC  

There's a population of Cubans in Miami that might be turned against you and their's inroads domestically that they might have

2018-07-02 21:23:23 UTC  

True, but that's not my point

2018-07-02 21:23:29 UTC  

What is your point

2018-07-02 21:23:30 UTC  

The point is that the US's word is worthless

2018-07-02 21:24:04 UTC  

Are you sure that doesn’t change nation by nation? President by President? Action by action?

2018-07-02 21:24:16 UTC  

Every action has a reaction

2018-07-02 21:24:31 UTC  

One good action has one in return, a bad one has a bad reaction

2018-07-02 21:24:33 UTC  

Nation by nation, sure, but it's also to do with each country's position on the "game board" as it were

2018-07-02 21:24:56 UTC  

The US has everything to gain and nothing to lose by Korean denuclearization and the reverse for the DPRK

2018-07-02 21:25:24 UTC  

The US could do practically anything and the west will back them and the east will be forced to deal with them

2018-07-02 21:25:56 UTC  

because trying to take them on is a difficult task and doing difficult things is hard

2018-07-02 21:26:09 UTC  

Funding Jihadi rebels in Syria? nah that's fine

2018-07-02 21:26:24 UTC  

Sex abuse in detention facilities? Literally spying on EU citizens?

2018-07-02 21:26:37 UTC  

Black sites in Poland?

2018-07-02 21:27:18 UTC  

Russia is more trustworthy in this regard

2018-07-02 21:27:30 UTC  

because they have a more limited economy and diplomatic arsenal

2018-07-02 21:27:52 UTC  

They can't afford to piss off their friends and make new enemies

2018-07-02 21:28:04 UTC  

Their military isn't capable of occupying the world

2018-07-02 21:30:45 UTC  

You don’t think the US sees a denuclearized as something that is of interest to the US and its allies?

If you’re going to use military strength as a measure of trustworthiness then why does NK trust Russia more then China? For the same reason you just laid out. There are a number of reasons they don’t trust Russia more than China. There is a lot more to consider when it comes to how nations respond and interact with each other on a global level. Yes, brute power has some say in it but it isn’t the only thing that dictates it.

2018-07-02 21:30:59 UTC  

Why would the US lie and trigger North Korea?

2018-07-02 21:31:08 UTC  

To have them decimate Seoul?

2018-07-02 21:31:19 UTC  

Ruin the economy of Japan and SK?

2018-07-02 21:31:37 UTC  

Well yeah, it's the nuclearization that's in the way of their conquest of the DPRK. They have a lot to gain by comprimising their security, lol

2018-07-02 21:32:08 UTC  

I mean why does it compromise their security?

2018-07-02 21:32:23 UTC  

Because they have an outdated military and nuclear weapons are an effective deterrent

2018-07-02 21:32:37 UTC  

With China defending them

2018-07-02 21:32:44 UTC  

That's fickle

2018-07-02 21:32:48 UTC  

They didn't defend them at the UN