Message from @baked tacos

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2018-02-05 06:52:53 UTC  

I'm Marxist-Leninist who can take anybody under his wing.

2018-02-05 06:53:06 UTC  

Is of completely different.

2018-02-05 06:53:49 UTC  

He is more like you.

2018-02-05 06:54:51 UTC  

Do you really think ultranationalists will become internationalists? Feeding the myths and 'national rebirth' may have unintended consequences. Just like it did for poor old Strasser.

2018-02-05 06:56:05 UTC  

@Deleted User I don't need them to become internationalists if they serve the Party and a socialist nation.

2018-02-05 06:56:26 UTC  

I promote them becoming but do not require.

2018-02-05 06:57:50 UTC  

Strasser is to Fascists like Trotsky is to Marxist-Leninists. A failed theoretician. Why would nationalists want a Socialist society?

2018-02-05 06:58:16 UTC  

@kriegsmariner VA I summon thee

2018-02-05 06:59:04 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/409966140568240129/IMG_20171215_201127_478.jpg

2018-02-05 06:59:07 UTC  

My best argument would be something like: you cannot simultaneously hold both profit and race as your highest priority.

2018-02-05 06:59:17 UTC  

But even this is a false dichotomy.

2018-02-05 07:00:32 UTC  

Rip Tropsky

2018-02-05 07:00:45 UTC  

Socialism is better for your people than capitalism obviously

2018-02-05 07:00:46 UTC  

Trop

2018-02-05 07:00:51 UTC  

@Deleted User He is failed I agree. He is more like good old French utopists indeed. Nationalism is a tool for capitalists. But it can be a tool for socialists too. Nationalist may seek the benefit of his socialist nation. He might want a socialist nation as it's benefiting the nation.

2018-02-05 07:01:04 UTC  

@Krieg#0336 @Deleted User see

2018-02-05 07:01:05 UTC  

Rip Strasser. He failed for other reasons because he catered to nationalist myths too much.

2018-02-05 07:01:14 UTC  

Juche is still working

2018-02-05 07:01:19 UTC  

Otto>Gregor

2018-02-05 07:01:27 UTC  

All the best socialist countries embraced some nationalism

2018-02-05 07:01:56 UTC  

>best socialists countries

2018-02-05 07:01:59 UTC  

All the best fascist countries embraced Syndicalism

2018-02-05 07:02:04 UTC  

DDR

2018-02-05 07:02:09 UTC  

DPRK

2018-02-05 07:02:16 UTC  

Yugoslavia

2018-02-05 07:02:23 UTC  

Stalin obviously

2018-02-05 07:02:31 UTC  

Its unifying

2018-02-05 07:02:32 UTC  

Yes, I support Socialism in One Country. However what you are proposing is something else, calling to bring Socialism about with the help of Nationalists, not building Socialism and then using Nationalism.

2018-02-05 07:03:02 UTC  

The 2 go hand in hand

2018-02-05 07:03:24 UTC  

I just got here, but I'd say that the best thing to do would be to convince nationalists of the superiority of socialism over capitalism for the nation.

2018-02-05 07:03:25 UTC  

Stalin brought in nationalism to make the damn thing work

2018-02-05 07:03:31 UTC  

Stop trying to muddy the waters. We need to be really specific, or else it's like putting the cart before the hors.

2018-02-05 07:04:23 UTC  

@LongLiveStalin Yes, I agree with this. Convince them, but make no mistake what comes first and what is more important.

2018-02-05 07:05:01 UTC  

@Deleted User I can't see a problem here.

2018-02-05 07:05:16 UTC  

They essentially have to go together at this point

2018-02-05 07:05:50 UTC  

If its just race and nation socialism comes second that's how we get national social democracy

2018-02-05 07:05:53 UTC  

As an American, it's extremely difficult for me to be a nationalist. I believe our culture is bankrupt and the people are for the most part toxic.

2018-02-05 07:06:19 UTC  

Be a Revolutionary nationalist

2018-02-05 07:06:30 UTC  

Not for now but what it could be

2018-02-05 07:07:04 UTC  

Your right, maybe race is the dialectical force we need. But Socialism does not necessarily follow from race and can be lead off course like a wild bull.

2018-02-05 07:07:08 UTC  

Just my concerns.