Message from @rogalik

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2018-05-22 16:38:56 UTC  

yeah

2018-05-22 16:58:37 UTC  

Immortality, best case scenario: 2045.

2018-05-22 17:17:49 UTC  

I honestly think it would be easier to discover how to make people immortal than to find "cure for cancer"

2018-05-22 17:18:49 UTC  

not because it would be so easy to attain immortality, but that it's going to be so fucking hard to cure every kind of cancer

2018-05-22 17:19:15 UTC  

so if people became immortal, they'd still die from cancer eventually

2018-05-22 17:19:34 UTC  

ummm

2018-05-22 17:19:45 UTC  

but that are related things

2018-05-22 17:19:56 UTC  

cancer probability grows with age

2018-05-22 17:20:14 UTC  

and you can't really call yourself "immortal" if you die of cancer at 80

2018-05-22 17:20:44 UTC  

sure, that's why I'm saying curing cancer is harder, because you don't die "from old age", but because something is failing you

2018-05-22 17:21:02 UTC  

if you stop ageing you stop the single most important cause of cancer

2018-05-22 17:21:26 UTC  

old age = many things are failing

2018-05-22 17:21:35 UTC  

these things are inherently intertwined

2018-05-22 17:22:42 UTC  

you'd need a perfect replication system for your body cells to be immortal and that would also mean a perfect cancer (sorry for my kindergarten understanding of biology)

2018-05-22 17:22:58 UTC  

what

2018-05-22 17:23:32 UTC  

cancer is basically your cells going haywire, right

2018-05-22 17:23:33 UTC  

?

2018-05-22 17:24:41 UTC  

if they were able to replicate perfectly, but not perfectly enough for something to go wrong, wouldn't that cause the nastiest imaginable cancer?

2018-05-22 17:24:50 UTC  

no, biological immortality doesn't imply cancer, not at all

2018-05-22 17:25:05 UTC  

there are organisms that are biologically immortal and they don't really die of cancer

2018-05-22 17:25:22 UTC  

it's not that much about perfect replicating

2018-05-22 17:26:08 UTC  

ageing is a complex process but i.e one of the direct causes are telemeres(the ending part of DNA) getting shorter and shorter with every replication

2018-05-22 17:26:43 UTC  

telomeres are meant to protect the genetic material, but with age they slowly dissappear

2018-05-22 17:26:50 UTC  

there are organisms that can regenerate them

2018-05-22 17:27:46 UTC  

and you don't need everything to be done perfectly, sometimes there is a "mistake" but as long as you have strong repair mechanisms, your cells aren't worn down, your organism will handle that

2018-05-22 17:28:12 UTC  

fix the error or terminate the damaged cells

2018-05-22 17:29:11 UTC  

it's likely that every minute you have "cancers" appearing somewhere in your body but there are special lymphocytes called NK to get rid of them

2018-05-22 17:29:46 UTC  

so the most important thing is to maintain this self repair mechanism

2018-05-22 17:45:46 UTC  

geezus I am not going to read all of that

2018-05-22 17:48:36 UTC  

geezus was immortal tho

2018-05-22 17:49:23 UTC  

how did he revive from the dead if he is immortal

2018-05-22 18:06:32 UTC  

oh uh

2018-05-22 18:16:00 UTC  

check-mate christians

2018-05-22 19:37:27 UTC  

@rogalik romania.

2018-05-22 19:37:38 UTC  

uh?

2018-05-22 19:37:51 UTC  

you kknow

2018-05-22 19:37:52 UTC  

romania

2018-05-22 19:38:03 UTC  

romania what

2018-05-22 19:38:14 UTC  

R O M A N I A

2018-05-22 19:38:18 UTC  

old age needs to happen

2018-05-22 19:38:20 UTC  

people need to die