how far we can go I mean

also achievimg immortality and being able to colonize space arent the same kind of technological advancment

>every time humanity goes far enough society collapses and itll happen again
when was the last time society collapsed? you're like those conspiracy theories >society will collapse I s-swear

>still finite

practically infinite

rome

greece

egypt

whenever shit gets inter connected enough shit steps back 3 steps

nothing collapsed, the civilisation went on uninterrupted

it simply changed

one centre falls then another emerges

it didnt change you see a few hundred years of pretty much anarchy then people build up society again

then it fails

then it happens again

because civilization is shit tbh

they all end the same way too

but there was "anarchy" only in some specific parts of Europe

trying to push against naturalistic human instinct and behavior

Constantinople became a stable centre of civilisation

humans aren't naturalistic

we still follow nature even if we go against it in someways

you see this with basic social patterns

most of which have only recently been gone against in mass

how can you say you are naturalistic when you have nothing against emiting enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere

and most civilizations end with the push against those things

you americans aren't very naturalistic you are muh freedom

i dont align with the usa in any way.

you were against enviromental protections

politically, ideologically, etc

im against environmental protections without instituting protectionist policies

because that just leads to the transfer of those environmental issues to other countries

and outsourcing among other economic problems

im for them just not in a retarded way

and im against dumbass alternatives like massive solar farms or lithium-ion everything

>im against environmental protections without instituting protectionist policies
I have no idea what do you mean by that, I just want to say EU policies on environment work

they dont work because china owns half the worlds industry

both the EU and US are suffering

china will surpass all of us economically soon enough because of this

no one will be able to compete when they own all production and one of the largest consumer markets

they work