Message from @rogalik

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2018-09-21 12:33:48 UTC  

Yeah, you sometimes can (I wonder how often though). And you can make things at least somewhat harder for the occupying army.
The problem is, when you have a hammer in your hand, everything becomes a nail. Equip people with guns and they will seek an opportunity to use them.

2018-09-21 12:34:27 UTC  

First years of syria?

2018-09-21 12:36:47 UTC  

>First years of syria?

why "first years" only? state what is the outcome of the war: a professional army defeated the civillian insurgence

2018-09-21 13:05:17 UTC  

Now

2018-09-21 13:05:31 UTC  

But in first tears rebels had adventage

2018-09-21 13:06:14 UTC  

And army defended syria and now dominate mostly becouse of russian help

2018-09-21 13:06:45 UTC  

But without it syria might fail

2018-09-21 19:22:26 UTC  

it does help because the civilians can easily arm themselves, thats like last ditch tier though after occupation of soil has happen

2018-09-21 19:29:46 UTC  

>because the civilians can easily arm themselves
Well, you see, that's the problem. Civilians are not soldiers. They are more useless during a real war than you might think. In Poland we have some experience with this.
The second thing is a question, if civilians should participate in active fight during a war at all. I'd argue that sending an untrained civilians to a fight is not worth it. Too much of a price to pay. It would be much better for the cause (whatever it is) if they lived and kept the idea going on.

2018-09-21 20:37:13 UTC  

the point is like i said to form an insurgency, regardless of how effective they are compared to a real army if even 5% of the few hundred million guns we have are used properly its going to be advantageous

2018-09-21 20:37:31 UTC  

and like i said this is implying that american soil has been reached, not to say theyll be sent to the front lines

2018-09-21 20:37:41 UTC  

it also means our production capability for guns is higher also

2018-09-21 20:39:20 UTC  

advantages aside, dunno if you read what I said earlier but nvm

2018-09-21 20:39:37 UTC  

what is the probability that the US gets invaded in this century?

2018-09-21 20:39:53 UTC  

meanwhile thousands people die every year

2018-09-21 20:43:16 UTC  

not very high but its just a side benefit

2018-09-21 20:43:23 UTC  

if you want to talk directly about guns

2018-09-21 20:44:14 UTC  

and do you think that "side benefit" outweighs people getting killed all the time over some totally stupid shit

2018-09-21 20:44:17 UTC  

1. there are like 30k gun deaths a year, the over whelming majority of them are suicides and those that are murders are almost all from gang violence

2018-09-21 20:44:30 UTC  

2. theres no reasonable means to get rid of guns already here

2018-09-21 20:44:49 UTC  

why are you saying it like suicides weren't a problem too?

2018-09-21 20:44:58 UTC  

people are more eager to kill themselves if they have a gun

2018-09-21 20:45:04 UTC  

its the easiest way

2018-09-21 20:45:48 UTC  

japan has the highest suicide rate and the strictest gun control

2018-09-21 20:45:57 UTC  

>2. theres no reasonable means to get rid of guns already here
you have no law enforcement in the US ?

2018-09-21 20:46:33 UTC  

i understand suicide is a problem and im not trying to mitigate it, but you cant bring up gun violence and then be oh look suicides count too. They're important but its clearly not a violence problem

2018-09-21 20:46:34 UTC  

yes and japan has a hundreds years old culture of suicide whats the point

2018-09-21 20:47:03 UTC  

and awful working conditions and education environment, same with other countries in east asia

2018-09-21 20:47:06 UTC  

usa doesnt share that

2018-09-21 20:47:13 UTC  

theres like a million other countries that have worse rates

2018-09-21 20:47:19 UTC  

killing yourself is violence too

2018-09-21 20:47:25 UTC  

like i said thats kind of irrelevant to this whole thing and belongs in a seperate category

2018-09-21 20:47:29 UTC  

>theres like a million other countries that have worse rates
like which fucking ones

2018-09-21 20:47:36 UTC  

no first world country comes even close to your hellhole

2018-09-21 20:48:00 UTC  

sweden

2018-09-21 20:48:06 UTC  

talking suicides here

2018-09-21 20:48:12 UTC  

anyway

2018-09-21 20:48:17 UTC  

gun wise you cant confiscate guns

2018-09-21 20:48:19 UTC  

it wont work

2018-09-21 20:48:20 UTC  

why are you talking about suicides

2018-09-21 20:48:29 UTC  

im talking about gun violence