Message from @Satan

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2018-03-13 04:52:10 UTC  

Communists mostly seek a transitory state and some want a new communist state to back it

2018-03-13 04:52:16 UTC  

Why what

2018-03-13 04:53:00 UTC  

why is fascism right

2018-03-13 04:53:49 UTC  

Nationalism and capitalist elements make it right

2018-03-13 04:54:14 UTC  

how does nationalism make it right

2018-03-13 04:54:23 UTC  

i thought communists were nationalist

2018-03-13 04:54:32 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-03-13 04:54:45 UTC  

so what some communists are nationalist others arent

2018-03-13 04:55:01 UTC  

Some can be

2018-03-13 04:55:08 UTC  

Like strasser was

2018-03-13 04:55:16 UTC  

But he is a nazi

2018-03-13 04:55:59 UTC  

Communism would technically be nationalism of the workers

2018-03-13 04:56:39 UTC  

i always thought what made communism left-wing was its avocation of more government power

2018-03-13 04:56:49 UTC  

at least for the short term

2018-03-13 04:57:18 UTC  

That's a common misconception communism doesn't equal more state

2018-03-13 04:57:24 UTC  

But Stalin was like

2018-03-13 04:57:26 UTC  

Nahhh

2018-03-13 04:57:41 UTC  

then how can marxism be left-wing

2018-03-13 04:58:28 UTC  

Economy based on workers an abolition of private property and the state

2018-03-13 04:59:35 UTC  

Yes

2018-03-13 05:00:11 UTC  

And Hi o/

2018-03-13 05:00:19 UTC  

interesting

2018-03-13 05:00:19 UTC  

(eventually)

2018-03-13 05:00:58 UTC  

one of my thoughts about this utopian end would be this

2018-03-13 05:01:27 UTC  

wouldn't capitalist tendencies naturally formulate over time

2018-03-13 05:01:40 UTC  

without any government to stop

2018-03-13 05:01:42 UTC  

anything

2018-03-13 05:01:45 UTC  

Not utopian the self-interest of you is based on the self-interest of others

2018-03-13 05:02:10 UTC  

so capitalist tendencies would form over time

2018-03-13 05:02:42 UTC  

It's the interaction with the other countries that would cause that

2018-03-13 05:02:59 UTC  

but think about it like this

2018-03-13 05:03:15 UTC  

so a group of workers agrees to make shit for themselves

2018-03-13 05:03:23 UTC  

another group of workers agrees to make shit

2018-03-13 05:03:43 UTC  

but they decide they want to trade their shit with the other group in exchange for their shit

2018-03-13 05:04:04 UTC  

and eventually they create a surplus of goods

2018-03-13 05:04:17 UTC  

so naturally they want to sell these goods in exchange for other goods

2018-03-13 05:04:26 UTC  

is this not capitalism slowly forming over time

2018-03-13 05:05:12 UTC  

There may be some excess just for safety and that could probably be exported to other countries

2018-03-13 05:05:35 UTC  

wouldnt these other countries also be communist

2018-03-13 05:05:40 UTC  

i thought this was a global thing

2018-03-13 05:05:48 UTC  

communism internationale