@Teddy Obviously not, that is where morals come into play, but it is a true statement nonetheless that the only natural rights that you will ever have is death.

If you do not have rights unless the government gives you to them, then it is slavery

You are a slave to the state

@dawsonmw Yes.

that's not communism

There's nothing utopian about it. What's utopian is the idea that the free-market actually exists and capitalism can function without the state. This is the result of an outright denial of the present material conditions as well as the history of such a system. You're just another market cuck in La La Land.

So the only rights we receive are the ones given to us by government?

I'm not arguing about communism, I'm talking about rights

You people are saying that rights do not exist

@Deleted User Woulden't it be a dictatorship of the corporations if there was no state?

they don't

Not really

so the only rights you have are ordained to you by the state?

Man is his own goad

Stirner was right

Whatever happens is whatever happens

@Teddy Pretty much.

*god

@Deleted User Most likely as monopolization would naturally occur.

Are you unironically spelling like that lol

That's insane, how the hell would you think that's a good system?
You only have the right to do what the government says you can?

What the fuck, dude

@Deleted User *But it's the corporations, so I'm free!*

That's literally slavery to the state

@Deleted User Haha

@Teddy When did I say I advocated for such a system?

Are you religious?

What does it matter to you?

@Deleted User >slavery to a state that doesn't exist under communism

It matters very much to this argument

Imagine

I'm not talking about communism you retard

@Teddy Elaborate.

So if I run a store, the government can take all the money I make because they may not have granted me the right to keep it?

@When Things Aren't Right Go Left True lel

The implication is obvious

@dawsonmw They could, but it doesn't mean that it would at all be a good thing, and you would be entitled to lash out against them for doing so.

If you accept that God exists, then you can assume that the rights we have are above the state, above the government, and that they are ordained to us by the Lord, meaning that they can not be overridden by any earthly government

Praise da Lawd

Also please show me a communist society that was not a dictatorship of some kind

@Teddy How would an athiest think that death is below the state?