@Aidan xD You have to admit that most arguments against communism are based on lies

I mean you realize that at this point right?

tru

I also hear that

stalin killed people in gulag

and it had bad conditions

yeah, the gulags weren't fun

Propaganda comrade

More lies

@Aidan xD Stalin also paid the clouds to fuck off and used his dialectical wizardry to curse the crops with wheat rust.

^

What kind of idiot would unironically believe Stalin killed 100 million people?

yeah

everyone knows it was 200 million

@Deleted User True, but it is hard to tell at all that it actually was english at all, seeing as how it contains nordic characters such as the Ü and æ characters, which are normally used in germany, and the noridc countries, this shows how the language was a mesh between the vikings and the britan languages, and the middle english language in the end was such a radical change to the language, that it could very well be considered a different language all together from the original english language.

neber forget the ebils of gommunism :DDDDDDD

@Deleted User I can't personally accept that it's a different language altogether but I can understand where you're coming from. You make a fair point.

Joseph "No Rain in The Ukraine" Stalin

@mcstubbs lel

@Deleted User Hmm, if I remember correctly.... didn't the population not decrease due to russia's population size? Though I agree the claim that 80M died because of stalin is questionable, there is no doubt that millions died under stalin.

i'm unsure of the exact numbers because the most i know about the purges and all of that are mainly that of the officer corps of the red army, and that wasn't significant in proportion the the USSR's population

there's a historian that i keep up with who says the most he'd credit him with is 20m, but he's also a trotskyist and a military historian, and he's said himself that he doesn't know the exact number

Now the holodomor was most likely not done intentionally, but because of the famine, and the soviet unions already big shortage on food and it's distrabution, it ended up leaving the kulaks high and dry, which meant that they had to feed themselves during the famine, which led to millions dying.

probably less than 20m, probably more than 3

@mcstubbs No way it was just 3 M.

yeah, definitely more

@mcstubbs At least in the tens od millions.

@Deleted User According to the 1937 census, there were around 162 million people accounted for. This was prior to the devastating losses as a result of WW2 AKA "The Great Patriotic War". And the population increase was primarily due to a radical change in living standards as a result of the Bolsheviks seizing power and implementing numerous social and economic reforms.

i think 15-20 is a good ballpark

@Deleted User Well that explains it then.

and after famines

it was about 30m soviets that died in the war, no?

mostly civilians.

so that's still 30m unaccounted for, but there were food shortages immediately after the war as well iirc

@mcstubbs I am unsure, WW2 info especially from the soviet union is hardly trustworthy at all, because the soviets were infamous for lying, and forging documents.

oh yeah.

the germans were too, which makes the eastern front a CLUSTERFUCK

If I remember correctly, the soviet union also claimed that there was zero starvation......in the 1930's.

yeah.