well, i remember reading a while back (i'll have to dig it up) that the american and british investigators didn't for one quite simple reason

they needed the trials to be legitimate

the needed to set a precedent for war crimes trials because nothing like it had really been pulled off before

@mcstubbs And how do you know they didn't do it behind the scenes and off the record?

(What a citation that is, by the way.)

if we couldn't hide a couple of guys breaking into the watergate hotel, how would we manage to pull that off

i think at some point, occam's razor has to come into play here

there's either a massive judeo-bolshevist conspiracy that's infiltrated the ranks of every major power on the fact of the earth and interrogated former nazis and fabricated a holocaust and nobody found out, and these jewish communists were also vehemently opposed to the USSR...

@mcstubbs That was a breakin at the democratic headquarters, this is corruption on a massive level, watergate was crime that was ordered by a big person, while the trials could have had corruption on a massive level during interrogations, and nobody would have known if it did or didn't happen.

Have you ever heard the term "history is written by the victors"?

It is exactly like this.

...or maybe this far-right ultranationalist fascist organization that spouted inflammatory rhetoric about how jews and communists needed to be purged, and formulated *Generalplan Ost* to provide lebensraum for the aryan race, *actually went through with it*

or at least attempted to

@mcstubbs What? Do you know what lebensraum was?

No, you don't, do you?

from my understanding, it was a form of settler colonialism where the nazis believed in taking lands in eastern europe and giving them back to aryans

even if that's an incorrect definition, generalplan ost was very real

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpo%20sources.htm

@mcstubbs Nope, not at all, if hitler wanted that, he woulden't have allowed hungary to exist, he woulden't have set up slovakia, and he defineatly woulden't have planned to reorganize the russian state under a new government, what hitler wanted was for germany to regain it's former borders and colonial territories, lebenshraum was the policy of protecting german interests, and what better plan to do that, than invading the biggest aggressor next to them? Hitler never wanted the german ethnicity to dominate all of europe, he planned on setting up nations by their race and ethnicity, if he didn't want to do that, then he woulden't have had meetings with muslim nationalists, he woulden't have set up slovakia for the slovaks, and he defineatly woulden't have set up vichy france.

i never said german, i said aryan. racially, he considered the slovaks, the french and the hungarians superior. I believe he met with muslim and hindu nationalists to royally (pun intended) fuck the british.

Here is a document on that too.

@mcstubbs Which means that he never did lebenshraum for extermination of other races, did he?

then what in sam hell was generalplan ost?

@mcstubbs It was the purging of traitors from germany but that's about it, which is why he had them rounded up and sent to camps, in which they later died in due to allies cutting off supplies.

Hitler always believed that races should have their own states, and there never should be any total extermination of a race.

That even goes for jews and blacks.

(Funnily enough he allowed for black divisions to exist in germany, and he even had an asian general.)

What was the warsaw ghetto, then?

Separation of races, what did I tell you hitler wanted?

then why are there so many accounts of the summary executions of jewish civilians or just civilians in general? And i know you're going to say that eyewitness testimony isn't very good, but what about when it's on the scale of millions?

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpo%20sources.htm

what are these?

@mcstubbs What millions of witnesses?

https://www.ushmm.org/remember/the-holocaust-survivors-and-victims-resource-center/survivors-and-victims/survivor-testimonies

you can find interviews of holocaust survivors quite easily

@mcstubbs I don't know why this is all coming second hand, or why they have to use a very specific version of mein kampf which was editted by a corporation in new york....

if you keep deeming my evidence as falsified, and i find it reliable, i don't think either of us are going to convince eachother, my man.

@mcstubbs Wait, I thought auschwitz was a death camp, how did so many people get out? Especially in the soviet control zone?

i really don't think this is all that productive for either of us at this point.

i don't mean to sound like i'm admitting defeat or that i don't enjoy this debate

but i've been up since 5:30 and it's about 1:30 right now over here