Message from @ashoka
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disolve the state
the state is what keeps cohesion in society, the state is just how society manages itself
disolve anarchists
Social structures and communities keep cohesion in society
Rules are how society manages itself and anarchism has rules
yeah sure if you want to balkanize everything, it would be really hard to defend yourselves from armies that try to take over(see anarchist ukraine)
They were blown out of the water by an ally
The Red Army turned on them
central command is needed for those types of things, and you cant have central command without a state or something like that
And their downfall was not balkanization
You can have elected, recallable, representatives in charge of certain things
doesnt matter, all anarchist governments will eventually fail because central command does not exist
Sounds like you don't know anarchism
wasnt makhno military leader of the black army tho?
you cant rely on elections for everything, because the people are rarded. they elected trump lol
as in, central command?
They elected trump becaue they are uneducated
idk, that wouldnt be anarchism if makhno just commanded an army by himself
and kept ignorant by capitalism
It could be if he was elected
and also
Bakunin argued for a dictatorship of revolution
Nestor Ivanovych Makhno or Bat'ko ("Father") Makhno[1] (Ukrainian: Не́стор Івáнович Махно́; October 26, 1888 (N.S. November 7) – July 25, 1934)[2][3] was a Ukrainian anarcho-communist revolutionary and the commander of an independent anarchist army in Ukraine in 1917–22.
yea military was centralized
hmm so like dictatorship during a revolution and then anarchism after that?
More like a centralized military structure and anarchism after, basically the army should never try to establish a state and simply establish communes
However I don't share this view
But it goes to show that anarchism has different facets
well, even if you do take down the state and just go around protecting communes, there are other states that could just come and take over
And the army will still be ablive
see how disorganized defence and assault has worked in Rojava
Protecting the communes is easy
but this is why you need weapons to establish the Black Army
lol rojava relies on bombings conducted by americans and russians, without them they wouldn't be as successful as they are
Russia does not assist rojava
and they are also being constantly bombarded by turkey
and remember that the US almost left the region
russia is aiding syria, AKA rojava's enemy
Rojava
is suriving