Message from @ashoka

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2018-07-14 21:23:07 UTC  

More gunes for everyone

2018-07-14 21:36:05 UTC  

guns should be banned for everyone except the state

2018-07-14 21:36:35 UTC  

the state is literally the number one perpetrator of human rights abuses

2018-07-14 21:36:39 UTC  

disolve the state

2018-07-14 21:38:27 UTC  

the state is what keeps cohesion in society, the state is just how society manages itself

2018-07-14 21:38:34 UTC  

disolve anarchists

2018-07-14 21:39:02 UTC  

Social structures and communities keep cohesion in society

2018-07-14 21:39:15 UTC  

Rules are how society manages itself and anarchism has rules

2018-07-14 21:42:04 UTC  

yeah sure if you want to balkanize everything, it would be really hard to defend yourselves from armies that try to take over(see anarchist ukraine)

2018-07-14 21:42:20 UTC  

They were blown out of the water by an ally

2018-07-14 21:42:26 UTC  

The Red Army turned on them

2018-07-14 21:42:30 UTC  

central command is needed for those types of things, and you cant have central command without a state or something like that

2018-07-14 21:42:32 UTC  

And their downfall was not balkanization

2018-07-14 21:42:55 UTC  

You can have elected, recallable, representatives in charge of certain things

2018-07-14 21:42:57 UTC  

doesnt matter, all anarchist governments will eventually fail because central command does not exist

2018-07-14 21:43:08 UTC  

Sounds like you don't know anarchism

2018-07-14 21:43:19 UTC  

wasnt makhno military leader of the black army tho?

2018-07-14 21:43:23 UTC  

you cant rely on elections for everything, because the people are rarded. they elected trump lol

2018-07-14 21:43:25 UTC  

as in, central command?

2018-07-14 21:43:52 UTC  

They elected trump becaue they are uneducated

2018-07-14 21:43:57 UTC  

idk, that wouldnt be anarchism if makhno just commanded an army by himself

2018-07-14 21:44:00 UTC  

and kept ignorant by capitalism

2018-07-14 21:44:08 UTC  

It could be if he was elected

2018-07-14 21:44:09 UTC  

well why let uneducated people vote

2018-07-14 21:44:11 UTC  

and also

2018-07-14 21:44:19 UTC  

Bakunin argued for a dictatorship of revolution

2018-07-14 21:44:33 UTC  

Nestor Ivanovych Makhno or Bat'ko ("Father") Makhno[1] (Ukrainian: Не́стор Івáнович Махно́; October 26, 1888 (N.S. November 7) – July 25, 1934)[2][3] was a Ukrainian anarcho-communist revolutionary and the commander of an independent anarchist army in Ukraine in 1917–22.

2018-07-14 21:44:41 UTC  

yea military was centralized

2018-07-14 21:45:20 UTC  

hmm so like dictatorship during a revolution and then anarchism after that?

2018-07-14 21:46:12 UTC  

More like a centralized military structure and anarchism after, basically the army should never try to establish a state and simply establish communes

2018-07-14 21:46:18 UTC  

However I don't share this view

2018-07-14 21:46:28 UTC  

But it goes to show that anarchism has different facets

2018-07-14 21:47:36 UTC  

well, even if you do take down the state and just go around protecting communes, there are other states that could just come and take over

2018-07-14 21:47:48 UTC  

And the army will still be ablive

2018-07-14 21:48:00 UTC  

see how disorganized defence and assault has worked in Rojava

2018-07-14 21:48:16 UTC  

Protecting the communes is easy

2018-07-14 21:48:25 UTC  

but this is why you need weapons to establish the Black Army

2018-07-14 21:48:50 UTC  

lol rojava relies on bombings conducted by americans and russians, without them they wouldn't be as successful as they are

2018-07-14 21:49:14 UTC  

Russia does not assist rojava

2018-07-14 21:49:23 UTC  

and they are also being constantly bombarded by turkey

2018-07-14 21:49:30 UTC  

and remember that the US almost left the region