Message from @Borzo

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2018-11-14 00:08:25 UTC  

There is no incentive to work harder under capitalism

2018-11-14 00:08:53 UTC  

Also, the argument of incentive under capitalism is extremely ironic

2018-11-14 00:10:03 UTC  

yea

2018-11-14 00:10:13 UTC  

yea

2018-11-14 00:10:25 UTC  

Making enough money to build a business? I'm throwing big words to try to ask how would things get better without competition

2018-11-14 00:10:43 UTC  

by things I mean technology

2018-11-14 00:10:49 UTC  

Build a business?

2018-11-14 00:10:51 UTC  

Where would you get that money

2018-11-14 00:10:57 UTC  

There is no private business in socialism

2018-11-14 00:11:04 UTC  

true

2018-11-14 00:11:17 UTC  

I'm talking about incentives under capitalism

2018-11-14 00:11:43 UTC  

what do you guys think about bolsonaro?

2018-11-14 00:12:01 UTC  

The labourer is paid the minimum wage, ie, that wage in which to keep the worker in bare existence as a worker.

2018-11-14 00:12:04 UTC  

You only earn as much as your boss feels you'd be satisfied with

2018-11-14 00:12:29 UTC  

Any further, and they'd be doing so at the expense of their own profits

2018-11-14 00:12:50 UTC  

And they obviously worked so hard for it, so why give it back?

2018-11-14 00:13:17 UTC  

Killing the poor wouldn't solve the problem of inequality

2018-11-14 00:13:27 UTC  

But killing the rich and redistributing their money would

2018-11-14 00:14:11 UTC  

you cannot have a bourgeoisie without a proletariat, but you can have a proletariat without a bourgeoisie.

2018-11-14 00:14:36 UTC  

this is essentially due to their parasitic nature

2018-11-14 00:14:36 UTC  

^

2018-11-14 00:14:52 UTC  

And that would definitely make the proletariat' life much better

2018-11-14 00:15:16 UTC  

their sole role is collecting and maintaining wealth, not to be confused with earning it

2018-11-14 00:16:20 UTC  

"Earning it" = inheriting it from his father, who inherited it from his father, etc.

2018-11-14 00:16:38 UTC  

which is why the incentives argument for capitalism is ironic: why should one work for the benefit of another who will only collect the fruits of their labour for their own gain?

2018-11-14 00:16:59 UTC  

Because of the illusion of promotion

2018-11-14 00:18:05 UTC  

for the prospect of starting a business yourself?

2018-11-14 00:18:12 UTC  

also that is how most entrepreneurs start a business, because unlike most people, they have the money to start up, and something to fall back on

2018-11-14 00:18:21 UTC  

exactly

2018-11-14 00:18:25 UTC  

they just inherited it

2018-11-14 00:18:29 UTC  

exactly

2018-11-14 00:19:30 UTC  

Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole.

2018-11-14 00:19:57 UTC  

^

2018-11-14 00:20:09 UTC  

'incentives'

2018-11-14 00:21:15 UTC  

I wonder how incentivised component part assemblers in foxconn are when they know Tim Cook owns the world's first $1tr company and they can barely get by

2018-11-14 00:22:29 UTC  

How else could we find a system where things like the Iphone could flourish?

2018-11-14 00:22:48 UTC  

Maybe the Soviet Union

2018-11-14 00:22:52 UTC  

iPhones are shit anyway lol

2018-11-14 00:22:55 UTC  

Considering they invented cellphones

2018-11-14 00:23:18 UTC  

true, the SU also had video games

2018-11-14 00:23:23 UTC  

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