'reality'

even if you were in the wild

its reality here

but it doesnt have to be

Reality is fiction

you still have to hunt and gather for yourself to survive

this is irrelevant

no it's not because you're a primitivist

?

you think money and jobs which are modern convenient interventions should not exist

No I'm just a person who knows what he's talking about

that does not necessarily mean primitivism

how else do you expect things to get done?

democratically

democratic slavery?

ironic you'd say that

destroy all incentive and just force people to do what you want?

OK but they are going to force you to do what they want also

it doesnt destroy incentive it aims to lessen the financial incentive as it is not the best incentive to have

so would you rather work a job you hate without pay?

I'm a dutch immigrant in the USA and you call me a primitivist.
I work as a mechanic just to have taxes taken out of my check .
The tax payers money is being spent on things that don't effect me

no, I'd rather work a job for something I have a passion for regardless of income

OK but that doesn't put food on the table

more like having the resources freely available to work the job(s) you do want without having to worry about pay

it does in a socialist society

why would you get paid for crap?

It takes money to make money

rewarded for producing nothing of value

and the idea that you are paid the same and there is not incentive is simply a myth

like say you love painting, but all your art is crap and nobody wants to buy it

you get what you give to society

you think they should still pay you for it?

why are you still assuming there are markets under socialism?

Income tax checks don't help for shit

Quick way to make everything go bankrupt and downgrade society

lmao artists

what use do they have

how do they give to society exactly

all value is subjective

that's one reason markets are bad

how to capitalists give to society