“So right there, that emphasis on a monolithic party, and by the way in that same month, or in the month before, in April, Lenin called for a strengthening of the trade unions, and for more worker representations on the central committee. So it wasn’t that he was moving in anti-worker, it was that he was moving against opposition. So right there you see the seeds of a system that could not develop naturally, with an opposition. With checks, with internal debate and argument. A system that began to strain for uniformity, for siege, for lockstep cooperation, empathis being on organising, getting it done, stop asking too many questions, as everything was a life and death issue.”

As a quote from Marx, "The true meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism"

Basically we need some kind of communist Napoleon or Cromwell

Tito?

As i remember Tito belived that capitalism and socilalism can coexist

he is a leader but he had that big flaw

still locked

i have no rights for it

weird

i used to be a titoist

but tito was a sellout

@Vines uh.... Vietnam was also kinda a good model of successful socialism.

was

well you cant fight the whole world being a small nation in asia

Uh.... they kinda bent to market capitalism but primarily to fund the socialist program. Unlike China which is blatantly corporatist but wearing a communist label

But at least Vietnam did a better job than China.

i can undertand why chinese started implementing capitalism back

they were large underdeveloped nation with poor industrial base

and relationships with their bigges ally just went to shit due to revision of Chruschev

so they were copletley alone

i think USSR could help them matreially if Beria could take the power

@Лт. Бакугоу Катсуки (казненный) ``Vietnam was also kinda a good model of successful socialism.``
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/apr/22/vietnam-40-years-on-how-communist-victory-gave-way-to-capitalist-corruption

Could you explain how is thi-

Oh wait, you're mentioning under Ho.

not post-Ho, but nvm

@Vietnamese_Comrade at least Ho wasnt as stupid as Mao, genociding a whole species of bird because they eat the rice grains.

@Лт. Бакугоу Катсуки (казненный) yet people said he was allying the usa before the war...

and before the independence

And with the birds gone, the real culprit wreaked havoc: locusts.

Can't blame them.

i think that happend due to lack of education in china, he just saw the connection between birds and eated crops and made wrong assumption

And it was against fascism.

Basically japs were storming in and mao decided to unite with Gomindan to fight the japs

Comparing Ho to Mao is basically like comparing a man with eyes wide open and another being blindfolded, and tasked to slice a carrot.

Ho was educated as a Confucian thinker before attacted by Marxism; Mao was an ignorant redneck farmboy before engaging in politics.

@Vines after the war, mao decided to turn on KMT

i dont think that we should hate Mao, at least he addmited mistake ad did tried to fix it

Yeah.

Mao also had good stuff, but Ho improved on it.

but we all can agree that Pol Pot is a fucking idiot

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