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use english thats not the russian chat after all

This is an international chat!

and english is official international language of the world

i was thinking about making a translation of few videos about marxism from russia

What is the point then to make a separate English chat, if it doesn’t differ from the international one

english laguage is present in every chat

lets end the language thing k?

I am not talking about that. In theory, in an international chat should be all languages. It is logical

we would get tonns of people who cant understand each other

@Историк what is your ideology?

ML

i suppose

@Borzo Democratic Marxist

So socialism should be achieved through bourgeois democracy?

Or after revolution, should be democratic?

No

```Or after revolution, should be democratic?```Yes.
Socialism is impossible without democracy

Mind if I tell you some history with quoting Michael Parenti?

Sovety - the highest form of democracy

“In may of 1921, Lenin got up in front of the bolsheviks and said ‘we’ve had enough with the workers opposition, let’s get rid of them.' The workers opposition were loyal bolsheviks, communists, they were in the party. When the Kronstadt Rebellion came, the Workers opposition did not side with the Kronstadt, they sided with the party. In the civil war they were with the party. Throughout all the struggles the workers opposition were with the party, but they had formed as self conscious caucus, that it decided it would represent the particular interests of the industrial proletariat, against the party itself at times."

well we need this thing but dictatirship is required for beginning

After all this invasion, after all this destruction, all this terrible death and struggle, when Lenin once said that Soviet russia is like a man with a death fever just hanging on by an inch of his life, after all that. Lenin turned and said “we’ve had enough opposition. The feeling very much was that that opposition was a wedge, an opening, which invited our enemies, our mortal enemies to come in and attack us and divide us. And the party convention uproariously supported him, and said, ‘no more workers opposition! No more factions within the party.’"

“So right there, that emphasis on a monolithic party, and by the way in that same month, or in the month before, in April, Lenin called for a strengthening of the trade unions, and for more worker representations on the central committee. So it wasn’t that he was moving in anti-worker, it was that he was moving against opposition. So right there you see the seeds of a system that could not develop naturally, with an opposition. With checks, with internal debate and argument. A system that began to strain for uniformity, for siege, for lockstep cooperation, empathis being on organising, getting it done, stop asking too many questions, as everything was a life and death issue.”

As a quote from Marx, "The true meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism"

Basically we need some kind of communist Napoleon or Cromwell

Tito?

As i remember Tito belived that capitalism and socilalism can coexist

he is a leader but he had that big flaw

still locked

i have no rights for it

weird

i used to be a titoist

but tito was a sellout

@Vines uh.... Vietnam was also kinda a good model of successful socialism.

was

well you cant fight the whole world being a small nation in asia

Uh.... they kinda bent to market capitalism but primarily to fund the socialist program. Unlike China which is blatantly corporatist but wearing a communist label

But at least Vietnam did a better job than China.

i can undertand why chinese started implementing capitalism back