Message from @Bobby

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2019-12-26 08:17:01 UTC  

Now that last one is bordering pseudoscience.

2019-12-26 08:26:54 UTC  

@yordanyordanov
I'm not trying to claim any of these are 100 percent true, it's just information I found from a question I had about the importance of the powerhouse of the cell in relation to brain function. That would be passed down maternally. This may illuminate the reason behind matrilineal or gynocentric cultures

2019-12-26 08:28:32 UTC  

I think that intelligence inheritance is way too complex to have a single answer.

2019-12-26 08:29:33 UTC  

You probably can't nail it down to mitochondria only. It's the result of a complex gene interaction involving dozens, if not hundreds of genes.

2019-12-26 08:30:35 UTC  

Putting only one of these on the forward without taking into account the rich possibilities of many other interactions is right away mischievous.

2019-12-26 08:32:10 UTC  

It's not the whole answer but it seems to be part of it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3890847/

2019-12-26 08:32:20 UTC  

That's not how good science is being maid.

2019-12-26 08:34:40 UTC  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29917056/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30816797/

I don't know what "good is science" is exactly. I make observations about the world as it is presented to me based on both my local experience and the best information I can find beyond that and ask questions as a means of seeing if other people have taken steps to establish a reason for what is observed.

2019-12-26 08:34:51 UTC  

I mean you would need much more than a single gene or an organelle to explain something as complex as intelligence inheritance.

2019-12-26 08:37:06 UTC  

@yordanyordanov that's why I'm not saying it's just one thing and also linking to studies which seem to suggest stimulation of the serotonin transport receptor 2a causes enhanced neuroplasticity

2019-12-26 08:37:49 UTC  

Neuroplasticity is not the same as overall intelligence, I mean problem solving ability.

2019-12-26 08:39:37 UTC  

Sure it helps, but it's not all of the answer.

2019-12-26 08:40:10 UTC  

You're giving the brain an opportunity to make associations it wouldn't otherwise make. During a psychedelic experience your brain activity is lowered in areas which would normally gate cross communication between regions of the brain that wouldn't otherwise communicate. In theory that should improve fluid intelligence. New synaptic pathways form based on non random hallucinations

2019-12-26 08:42:05 UTC  

I said it may *influence* it.

2019-12-26 08:43:56 UTC  

However, I never said it is a key to the WHOLE answer. Please, keep that distinction.

2019-12-26 08:44:45 UTC  

I don't think anyone knows the whole answer of anything truly

2019-12-26 08:47:49 UTC  

Welcome to the world of science! It always is a **TRY** to get the answers right, not a CLAIM that we have actually reached them.

2019-12-26 08:48:58 UTC  

Not what I mean. I think all truths are half truths and can never be fully true as the description is not the thing described. Unless we separate truth from what is real and say that logic is as real as something in a state of existence

2019-12-26 16:52:52 UTC  

@yordanyordanov you don't need to know individual genes, it's called quantitative genetics and is an entire field

2019-12-26 16:54:05 UTC  

Or are you talking about the validity of mitochondria's actions like in those papers?

2019-12-26 18:22:06 UTC  

No, I was just questioning ComradeChaos' reductionist take on intelligence inheritance and owning him on his oversimplifications.

2019-12-26 18:40:29 UTC  

How are you "owning me" when I said myself intelligence isn't driven by a singular factor?

2019-12-26 18:58:20 UTC  

I was just replying to Bobby about the nice discussion we had and why I felt the need to have it in the first place.

2019-12-26 19:14:52 UTC  

"Felt the need"
I feel like something other than what happened in reality played out in your head

2019-12-26 19:41:17 UTC  

It's just possible we think differently and you're not someone who questions things.

2019-12-26 23:34:10 UTC  

@ComradeChaos Saying that "all truths are half truths that can never be fully true" is too much of a simplification and doesn't see through to the reality of our understanding. A much better way to put it would be "most things that are considered to be truth only touch on one or more aspects of a deeper and more complex truth" "all things that we as humans claim to know as truth contain varying levels of actual truth" and "some beliefs and ideas are more true than others and it takes a deep understanding of true logic and nature of the universe/understanding that our grasp on said nature is ephemeral to truly start to work out which "truths" are based on real truth and which are not"

2019-12-27 03:03:21 UTC  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21617527
@Troye sometimes simplicity can be elegant

2019-12-27 04:20:41 UTC  

Shit
You linked your entire archive
Looks like I have my science reading filled for the week lol

2019-12-27 04:22:00 UTC  

@Troye I'm just good at finding interesting things

2019-12-27 04:22:34 UTC  

I will keep that in mind when I need something interesting found