Since the start

the key is breaking the spell thats held on people.

this whole "melting pot" mindset

we are not and never have been a melting pot, that was propaganda

1 and 2A are some of the few things the founding fathers got exactly right

I mean, the degradation of the American way happened long before America had anywhere near as significant of an immigrant population as today.

ah so we should just let it continue to degrade

gotcha

makes sense

@UnScottable You need to approach it from two sides. Yes mass immigration needs to be changed, but you have to provide a convincing moral argument to both sides. Not just your own.

At the same time you have to look at it as an opportunity to teach people about what values are important to keep america a strong and good country. If we don't do that with everyone including hispanics and blacks then we are only defeating ourselves.

im specifically targeting those who value the 1a and 2a

No. I'm saying the source of the loss of the American way is more than immigration.

to those who dont value those things. i have no intention of convincing them.

Dying on a hill is always a worse option to achieving victory by going around the hill

if they dont see them as important, then there isnt much ground to gain

not since the 60's @Lidomite

the 60's is really when the degradation occurred the most

Mass immigration is damaging not just to the receiving country, but also the countries they come from are losing the active members of society, the ones with the get up and go that could make them potentially valuable and equal trade partners in the future

up until then, 1950's america was still firmly rooted in the "american way"

Gonna go cook food and figure out life stuffs

Have fun all

Okay, and 60's America was like 88% white

well we have to look at what took place during this time

Welfare

women were allowed to vote in the 20's. freedom of association was banned

That's what happened

ummm lotsa things lol

and welfare

all combined together ya get a shit sandwich. pile on top the 1965 hard seller act that opened the gates to anyone

and boom you get 2019

Started and pushed for by whites. All of this was done by whites. The seeds were planted by whites.

Welfare started incentivising single motherhood and multiple children, bad combo

do you think that im saying whites are like superior or something

because thats not what im saying lol

at all

and actually the majority of the public in 1965 over 70% in fact. was against the hard seller act... so...

yea no they actually didnt want people to come in, and the gov did it anyways under false promises

No. I'm saying it's more ideology than race or immigration. Stemming immigration for like 4 years at best, maybe, isn't going to change things.

eeehhh

its a mixture of things

it is notable that cubans have a higher percentage of supporting freedom of speech and etc