He seemed alienated

a zealot who also defeats their own argument

There were some things sargon could of mentioned though that he didn't, like the worker communes, how are they going to allocate businesses? What happens to the individual who took out the loans to start up that business? Is it now shared between all the employees, etc.

Like if he had anything beyond surface knowledge he could of gone to task on that alone

And he tokenly mentioned the fact that 89% of American business are less than 20 workers

That is a key point

There are a plethora of ways to attack communism

i dont think sargon brought any of that up because he just didnt give a shit about the debate after less than half an hour of having to listen to vaush talk over him constantly

This was literally the debate

holy shit yeah XD

Vaush was rude- but he understood the arguments he was making better than Sargon tbh <:shrug:349342983763656705>

"If only you knew how bad things really where"

And the mistake most commies make is to use bad practices in capitalism, but they're arguing against oligarchical capitalism more often than not.

If a flat earther can bring a good argument don't think you should win just because you say the earth is round 🤔

Vaush won the argument but his behavior made chat fucking despise him

you... cant argue with a flat earther...

You can argue if that means he ultimatly lost or not

You need to know that shit and contest it and if you don't like communism you should know a certain depth of it tbh

***you can only ridicule them, they got them selves into an opinion on bollocks terms they WILL NOT give up***

Its not like Sargon hasn't done videos on the specific rape gangs either

He has done the research

But he clearly didn't utilise it or has forgotten it

vaush "won"

*in practice, image means more*

He brute force raped the debate into submission but at what cost?

Sargon layed on his back

Of course vaush won- he was abrasive, knew his points, went into depth on everything, while sargon literally tried to destiny it and argue definitions and shit <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

vaush came off as a complete asswipe due to his actions of *constantly* talking over sargon and reiterating his question

It wasn't a good argument either, it was a highly caffeinated zealot against an already gentle spoken brit late into the evening/early morning, Sargon's eyes were bloodshot by the end of it and Vaush got a headache from too much caffeine.

lol

He got high on something before going on

Autism meds probably

which one?

I watched the 4 hour version vaush put up because it included the pre and post chat tbh, I still need to watch sargons, but tbh I thought his performance in that debate was kind of pathetic 🤔

Just need to see his pre and post

It was and its genuinely annoys me as a fan of Sargon

He needs to actually work at it if he is to get better at it

Rather then making the same exact mistake every debate

Like he is trying to debate chapocels and communist he needs to up his game immeasurably especially to counter the claim that he is the entry point into the far right- likes his contestation of that was pretty poor tbh 🤔

I haven't watched the full debate yet just the last 2 hours