yeah

natural law in that context is natural law (as in legal)

as with all things legal, starting by introducing ambiguity where it is not required

Gravity is a law you cannot break

what the courts suggest is 'natural law' completely fall away when there is no government or courts to uphold them

they are abstractions

unique to the human experience

not reaity

Speak for yourself, MA.. I defy gravity all the time. XD

the history of law (legal) is before modern governments

common law was law that natural law that became accepted through precedent

i know this

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

so then how can you call it not reality

however, it stands in direct conflict with the dominant philosophy of the day

natural philosophy

the original name for 'Science'

we are either individuals capable of negotiating reality ourselves OR we are authority driven, requiring laws

it's a bit of a contradiction to place sceince as the highest standard yet priorities 'the law of man' over 'the law of nature'

yea I am not seeing this dichotomy

Reality = That which once you stop believing in it _still exists_

I think you are confusing the word "law" with other uses of the word

it's not as much a dichotomy as it is an insistance on using terms that no longer apply

our modern legal system is still based on common law

call it what you will; just call it something that doesn't interfere with other concepts

that is just semantics

calling it 'natural law' tramples of this thing called 'science'

everything complicated always comes down to semantics

"Our" might be inaccurate on an international platform

fortunately, in the STEM world unlike in the Legal World, we can express everything in terms of math

Attorneys don't like it when you point out that 'facts change'

Is Pluto a planet?

Is the year 1995 or 2019?

Yes, it's still a planet, damnit

lol

It may now be classified as a *dwarf* planet.. but it's still a planet.

Pluto is not a planet

That's what (((they))) want you to believe. @Peri The Platypus

the government

Anti-Semite

A dwarf planet is no less a planet than dwarves are people