It's definitely a part of socialism, but is not the definition

No its basically the axiom

it's not the word for word definition, but that's what socialists aim to achieve

i wasn't defining it either, so argumentum absurdium...it's semantic BS

Socialists aim to achieve the means of production to be controlled by government. that comes with abolishment of private property.

You got the cart before the horse

Which necessarily requires the abolition of self-ownership as an extension.

You're absolutely correct, @Joshyyy.

@ᛋᛉKLOᚢ keep in mind youre talking to people who use terms that they have 0 comprehension of

Socialism is a system by which a central government aims to abolish private property and bring production and land under the aegis of "the people". The ultimate aim of Socialism is to abolish hierachy completely & achieve a materially abundant communist society

<:poggers:583775485620781087> Joshyyy giving his things away?

I wish I had things to give away lol

Or is it Baba, back at it with the selfless acts? <:UwUzalu:583698818642608138>

@ubermensch if most people were unionized they could be making said fat stacks 🙂

<:sadgon:544640228166598657> Oh he wants free things.

Enoch Powell on a pogo stick.

unions do nothing but delay pay rises, mean individuals can't aim to get payrises solo

@SufferBuddy are you some sort of cuck

they've caused a lot of issues in my town

But if I was un-ionized, I'd die. @BabaBooey

fuck unions, they're shit

@Saul my union gives us yearly raised

raises

i get a yearly raise i negotiate and it's beyond what your union can probably get you

none of you actually know the definition of socialism?

and i just got a 4 thousand dollar check for vacation after 5 months but okay

it depends on the union and how the union organises, surely?

your boss knows whats best

if i don't like it, my skills are valuable and i can sell them elsewhere

@Saul a dollar raise on pay, 2 on pension and 1 on vacation every year

i own shares and index shares as well so

I mean I'd hope he is my boss...

@Saul have fun

@BabaBooey did you see im a utopian socialist of a sorts

<:Commie_Corbyn:462286635166334986>

Abolition of Property in Land and Application of all Rents of Land to Public Purpose.

A Heavy Progressive or Graduated Income Tax.

Abolition of All Rights of Inheritance.

Confiscation of the Property of All Emigrants and Rebels.

Centralization of Credit in the Hands of the State, by Means of a National Bank with State Capital and an Exclusive Monopoly.

Centralization of the Means of Communication and Transport in the Hands of the State.

Extension of Factories and Instruments of Production Owned by the State, the Bringing Into Cultivation of Waste Lands, and the Improvement of the Soil Generally in Accordance with a Common Plan.

Equal Liability of All to Labor. Establishment of Industrial Armies, Especially for Agriculture.

Combination of Agriculture with Manufacturing Industries; Gradual Abolition of the Distinction Between Town and Country by a More Equable Distribution of the Population over the Country.

Free Education for All Children in Public Schools. Abolition of Children's Factory Labor in it's Present Form. Combination of Education with Industrial Production.

@SufferBuddy do you lick his boots clean every day or ?

that's marx's definition btw

@ᛋᛉKLOᚢ i got "orthodox marxism"

oh god

Straight from page 33-34 of the communist manifesto I see 😉