I've never talked on here before but, do you think Labour would have won if they were pro-brexit?

I agree they were toxic, but all I saw on my facebook and such were people voting labour because "distribute the wealth"

unfortunately not

and talking about austerity being the death of the country... but somehow increasing the debt at the same time. loads of sense

but, call me pessimistic but I think if Corbyn said he was going to crash out of the EU like boris did on day one, I think Labour would have won

Protesting the fascist conservatives...

Most people would, but when you don't have a job anytime is a good time

The ones protesting a democratic vote? or the conservatives?

Knives are illegal m9. it's impossible

Labours manifesto was incredibly communist

with all the free shit Labour promised this election, I was expecting them to offer xbox game passes and nintendo switches upon election

I love the idea that it's predatory for someone to offer you a consensual trade of labour

which have alternative uses?

what do you mean by soc dem exactly?

Social democracy, meaning what exactly? socialist policies on top of a capitalist system?

that's not the definition of socialism.

It's definitely a part of socialism, but is not the definition

Socialists aim to achieve the means of production to be controlled by government. that comes with abolishment of private property.

I wish I had things to give away lol

it depends on the union and how the union organises, surely?

Straight from page 33-34 of the communist manifesto I see 😉

The diagnosis? so, you are being oppressed by your employer?

how?

seriously, how are you being oppressed by voluntarily offering your labour in return for capital? assuming you were being serious

how are you coerced or exploited by volunteering your labour?

@BabaBooey don't be condescending because you can't come up with an answer.

Articulate your argument

@BabaBooey if you don't like the wage you are given, go find another job that pays better. if you have the skills to be able to earn more, do so

It's not exploiting someone because some jobs literally require basic use of your prefrontal cortex

Leave morality out of it? well if that's the case. lets just kill everyone we disagree with since we're not being moral upstanding citizens anymore

and some sowell too

why?

why should you own any part of someone elses business?

how is it fair? someone has saved their own capital to get a business off the ground. to be able to create a product that someone else needs. and in order to do so is offering you a position so you can voluntarily offer your labour in return of the capital it makes

no, most business have investors that invest their capital

because the person has an idea to create a product or service.

and in the end it comes down to stealing

moral arbiter

Of course it is. just because you and a friend vote to take something that belongs to me doesn't mean it's not theft

and can't articulate an argument beyond stealing is good cause it's for me

hold up... who's the imperialist though?

seize what? you can't even come up with a good idea, nevermind lead a revolution

@Ethreen42 go watch 10 ben shapiros and think about what you've done

@BabaBooey I'm sorry to hear that

we can tell you don't read

@BabaBooey the labour theory of value makes no sense because if the idea is that all the labour used to create a product or service is equal to the economic value of the product or service, then go make a shit load of mud pies and try and sell them. you're putting a lot of labour into it. must be worth a lot to someone with your economic understanding

but yeah, spoon fed

@Oskar the Grouch ... shhh don't tell everyone

@Saul nice going, man 🙂

Being called a racist used to work really well

Definitely. now people just own it even when they know it not to be true. I think the internet is the reason for that. if you were in a local community, being called a racist was the worst thing. but now you can go online and have millions of people agree with you and have your own community

in terms of free speech, "shaming" is essential in a sense

Considering the entirety of western civilisation is based upon the rights of the individual, why is that a bad thing?

how is understanding both sides to an argument a bad thing?

@Seven Proxies "If I were the tyrannical dictator of my own state, I would be benevolent and kind and not the way in which every other state has deformed and broken down as we've seen from history" That's what you just said

Dominance and control of your own life. not anyone elses

I think you're ill informed if you think that there is no difference between an anarchist and a libertarian

and we actively try to shut down that

Fighting back against "primal urges" is a necessary part of being human. We don't act on urge. if we did, you wouldn't be living in one of the most prosperous societies to exist

Just because it can be empathized with, doesn't make it right

Statutory rapists too?

Rape is based on the idea that a party didn't consent. A minor cannot give consent and depending on who you ask neither can a person intoxicated

draw a line on who you kill

ok. Hypothetical. if I'm 19, she's 15. and said she's older. I should be killed in your view?

Don't get me wrong here. Actual occurrence of a rape where the victim was preyed upon. I'm all for castrating or killing them depending on the circumstance of the case. but you just said statutory rapists should be killed

no matter the circumstance

this is why there is a difference between vengeance and Justice... one is justified

it can be justified. but you now have to write the nuance to every single case to make it justified and draw the distinction between it. It's the same reason I oppose hate speech legislation. because it depends on who is legislating it. if it were up to you, you'd want to let anyone act out revenge

You can't, but you can at least try to articulate your thoughts and try to get us to understand what you mean with the words you type

The act to procreate at whatever the cost could be considered primal. consent is actually quite a new thing in the grand scheme of things

don't ducks gang rape?

and when female humans ovulate they produce pheromones too

I think you're projecting your intellect onto an animal. this isn't a Disney flick.

I was trying to collect my thoughts about that. but @Louis you summed it up pretty well

It's not unreasonable to want to kill a rapist that preys on the children and such. I don't even think anyone really disagrees with you on that. But you said. ANY rapist should be killed

then you use primal instinct of vengeance as a justification

Can't wait till i'm 40...

gonna not blow a load for a week in preparation to scare the shit out of my doc

@Seven Proxies The only thing we disagree with you on is the idea that all rapists should be killed... including statutory rapists. just the argument you actually made for the justification of killing a genuine piece of shit is weaker than weak

At least, the only thing I disagree with you on, anyway. can only speak for myself

I did address the we bit lol

why torture?

I meant, why does he want to torture. not you questioning it

That's not justice. That's basically a form of social justice. which is an oxymoron

don't kill commies. they're too much fun.

Communists are also people and people can be misguided and ill educated

Thomas Sowell was a marxist in his early 20s and became libertarian after working for local government. it can happen

Now you're single?

Terrible bait, now

pretty obviously too

just look at the difference between phil heath and Brian shaw. one is a bodybuilder one is a strongman

one of the theories behind strength is that it's how your central nervous system sends the signal to your muscles. increase in muscle mass. Glycogen storage in the muscles. there are a lot of things that factor into strength

@Seven Proxies wouldn't that not make them race obsessed? or even neo nazis?

or is the idea they hide their views instead?

@OneTrueGod Nuclearcraft is the tits. love that mod. never got to fusion with it though