Not really

what do you mean by soc dem exactly?

which they demonstrably do

Its more capitalist

Social democracy

welfare is capitalist

lolk

Social democracy, meaning what exactly? socialist policies on top of a capitalist system?

No

Not socialist

Its just manipulation of labour market powers

Social nationalism is the best

So its power in worker capital or mop capital in marxist terms

Socialist policies on top of a capitalist system.

Hmm.

HMMMMMMMM.

Sounds suspiciously FASCIST.

social democracy is actually pretty ridiculous etymologically speaking

Social democracy isnt socialist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL49qlcziC8&list=OLAK5uy_lJgw2uGzoDLkV9RaD8-S9so0y0rUxwu7Y&index=7

Social Democracy - Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal

Yeah its welfare policy which isnt marxist

Marxists would shoot needy people or gulag them for not working

Socialism = abolition or outlawing of private property

Basically

social democracy dosn't do that, hence the reason it's not socialist

it's a mixed market economic political system with supposedly decent social freedom

that's not the definition of socialism.

It basically is

It's definitely a part of socialism, but is not the definition

No its basically the axiom

it's not the word for word definition, but that's what socialists aim to achieve

i wasn't defining it either, so argumentum absurdium...it's semantic BS

Socialists aim to achieve the means of production to be controlled by government. that comes with abolishment of private property.

You got the cart before the horse

Which necessarily requires the abolition of self-ownership as an extension.

You're absolutely correct, @Joshyyy.

@ᛋᛉKLOᚢ keep in mind youre talking to people who use terms that they have 0 comprehension of

Socialism is a system by which a central government aims to abolish private property and bring production and land under the aegis of "the people". The ultimate aim of Socialism is to abolish hierachy completely & achieve a materially abundant communist society

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