@Joshyyy do you not understand the concept of coercion

Crazy how they keep proving your theory wrong

and exploitation

@ubermensch who said unions were infallible ?

how are you coerced or exploited by volunteering your labour?

i exploit myself by selling my own labour, getting recompensed for it

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@BabaBooey you apparently by claiming their the ideal means to get a just society

When clearly they aren’t you mongoloid

@Ethreen42 "Twitter says this, so it must be right"

@Joshyyy have you really never put any critical thought into it?

have you?

wage labor is literally exploitation

@BabaBooey don't be condescending because you can't come up with an answer.

of yourself yes, you're offered a price for the sale of your labour

Then your dads exploiting you for your labor

Are you gonna kill your dad and steal his business?

Articulate your argument

@Joshyyy when you go to work everyday, you produce a certain amount ot value, your employer takes as much of that as he can, and gives you what scrap hes legally obliged to

Capitalism means you can earn what you like (in theory). It commodifies labour and working and allows anyone to benefit from that.

Sure getting customers is hard, but that's on you..if you can't get customers then improve your sales technique

its called wage labor

its exploitation

and what's wrong with exploiting a commodity for my own benefit?

@BabaBooey if you don't like the wage you are given, go find another job that pays better. if you have the skills to be able to earn more, do so

@Saul depends on an individuals moral compass

Ya and you want to steal shit to exploit for your own ideological means

Are you really that more noble?

@Joshyyy "go find another job" orrrr heres a theory

It's not exploiting someone because some jobs literally require basic use of your prefrontal cortex

no one has a right to tell me what i can and can not sell in regards to my skills and labour or how much i demand for such a thing.

If i don't like what someone is offering me, i do not work for them

we guillotine the employer and let the workers control it

simple as

https://youtu.be/uykTTjSTxcw

https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/books/LE/LEChapter4.pdf
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deadweightloss.asp
https://www.intelligenteconomist.com/deadweight-loss/
https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/economics/deadweight-loss/
https://study.com/academy/lesson/deadweight-loss-in-economics-definition-formula-example.html
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/microeconomics/consumer-producer-surplus/deadweight-loss-tutorial/a/demand-supply-and-efficiency-cnx
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/ap-microeconomics/unit-2-supply-and-demnd/28/v/rent-control-dead-weight-cost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV5P59KbkmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomGApRtIx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJUczsbZvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LmaD3B_TA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0nfsAoCyA0

@Joshyyy leave morality out of it, its exploitation

Oh my

You have some studying to do before you open your mouth, Baba.

@BabaBooey good luck with management, admin, taxes and securing new sales and customers when you butcher the business owner

@Jeremy hush child the adults are speaking

Leave morality out of it? well if that's the case. lets just kill everyone we disagree with since we're not being moral upstanding citizens anymore

@BabaBooey your entire ideology is an economic moral claim you Mongoloid