Message from @Phil With Frankincense

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2019-06-20 17:10:42 UTC  

So it’s physical blood and physical flesh but that doesn’t really mean anything. got it.

2019-06-20 17:11:15 UTC  

Anyways

2019-06-20 17:13:39 UTC  

John 6:27-71 RSV

2019-06-20 17:13:40 UTC  

The passage is too long for me to grab, sorry.

2019-06-20 17:13:43 UTC  

H

2019-06-20 17:13:51 UTC  

John 6:27-40

2019-06-20 17:13:52 UTC  

**John 6:27-40 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

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<27> Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal." <28> So they said to him, "What can we do to accomplish the works of God?" <29> Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent." <30> So they said to him, "What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do? <31> Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'"<32> So Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. <33> For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."<34> So they said to him, "Sir, give us this bread always." <35> Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. <36> But I told you that although you have seen <me> , you do not believe. <37> Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, <38> because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. <39> And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it <on> the last day. <40> For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him <on> the last day."```

2019-06-20 17:14:01 UTC  

John 6:41-71

2019-06-20 17:14:02 UTC  

**John 6:41-71 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

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<41> The Jews murmured about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven," <42> and they said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, 'I have come down from heaven'?" <43> Jesus answered and said to them, "Stop murmuring among yourselves. <44> No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. <45> It is written in the prophets: 'They shall all be taught by God.'Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. <46> Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. <47> Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. <48> I am the bread of life. <49> Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; <50> this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. <51> I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."<52> The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us <his> flesh to eat?" <53> Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. <54> Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. <55> For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. <56> Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. <57> Just as the```

2019-06-20 17:14:02 UTC  

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living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. <58> This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever." <59> These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. <60> Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?" <61> Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you? <62> What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? <63> It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. <64> But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. <65> And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father."<66> As a result of this, many <of> his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. <67> Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you also want to leave?" <68> Simon Peter answered him, "Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. <69> We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God." <70> Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?" <71> He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve. ```

2019-06-20 17:14:08 UTC  

Give that a read

2019-06-20 17:14:27 UTC  

Especialy at verse 67

2019-06-20 17:14:42 UTC  

Christ is willing to sacrifice *everything*

2019-06-20 17:14:46 UTC  

For this one teaching

2019-06-20 17:14:58 UTC  

He doesn’t say “come back, it’s only symbolic”

2019-06-20 17:15:58 UTC  

He says John 6:54

2019-06-20 17:15:59 UTC  

**John 6:54 - New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)**

```Dust


<54> Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. ```

2019-06-20 17:16:14 UTC  

The original Greek actually hides a bit

2019-06-20 17:16:20 UTC  

So

2019-06-20 17:16:34 UTC  

He uses the word eat about 4 times in the above context

2019-06-20 17:16:57 UTC  

Each time He makes it more “extreme”

2019-06-20 17:17:06 UTC  

Starting with eat and ending on feast

2019-06-20 17:17:27 UTC  

Using the words gnaw and chew the other times

2019-06-20 17:17:55 UTC  

When someone eats the bread at church, it is physically bread

2019-06-20 17:18:08 UTC  

It dosent turn into flesh when u bite into it does it

2019-06-20 17:18:30 UTC  

It’s *substance* is that of Christ. Its appearance is that of bread

2019-06-20 17:18:33 UTC  

Why does he say " whoever eats this bread will live forever"

2019-06-20 17:18:38 UTC  

And not flesh

2019-06-20 17:18:43 UTC  

Since it is literally flesh

2019-06-20 17:18:52 UTC  

Why adress it as bread

2019-06-20 17:19:22 UTC  

So people will understand it the way they understand Passover.

2019-06-20 17:20:06 UTC  

It never mentions it is literally his flesh, it can be interpretted as either literal or symbolic

2019-06-20 17:20:19 UTC  

And i dont trust anything the catholic church spews from its whoring mouth

2019-06-20 17:20:36 UTC  

Well then there’s nothing I can do for you

2019-06-20 17:20:42 UTC  

Sola Scriptura

2019-06-20 17:22:02 UTC  

Let’s ignore that the Bible was compiled by the church

2019-06-20 17:24:04 UTC  

So, where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is authoritative to Christians?

2019-06-20 17:24:24 UTC  

It was compiled by God indirectly

2019-06-20 17:24:37 UTC  

Using men

2019-06-20 17:25:17 UTC  

Men who were part of the Catholic Church. Specifically during the council of Trent if memory serves

2019-06-20 17:25:32 UTC  

@GHOST @Oboe feel free to ask questions if you have them