Message from @Wiktor VI
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If European identity is Christian then why are Albanians **Muslim**? They're European as well. Paganism does not in the very least promote degeneracy, it's a native religion, there is nothing less decadent than original roots
Original =\\= Ideal
@Deleted User Because of the ottoman empire
And Albanians can hardly be considered European
Ideal?
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil:
but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39)
**Matthew 5:39 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<39> But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; ```
Albanians are European who just happen to believe in another religion. Christians, catholics more specifically do not practice pure christianity. In fact, Catholicism has largely pagan roots
You don't resist because they are never supposed to be in a position to threatened you in the first place
Exodus 22:2
**Exodus 22:2-4 - Good News Translation (GNT)**
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<2-4> He must pay for what he stole. If he owns nothing, he shall be sold as a slave to pay for what he has stolen. If the stolen animal, whether a cow, a donkey, or a sheep, is found alive in his possession, he shall pay two for one."If a thief is caught breaking into a house at night and is killed, the one who killed him is not guilty of murder. But if it happens during the day, he is guilty of murder. ```
Exactly, it preaches tolerance, a feminine virtue.
Bible permits resistnce in self defense
The Bible does not preach tolerance
It preaches justicee, Prudence, morality, not tolerance
Also if we speak about degeneracy... Let's look at these (Judges 19:22-30)
**Judges 19:22-30 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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Gibeah’s Crime
<22> While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the city, a perverse lot, surrounded the house, and started pounding on the door. They said to the old man, the master of the house, "Bring out the man who came into your house, so that we may have intercourse with him." <23> And the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, "No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Since this man is my guest, do not do this vile thing. <24> Here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do whatever you want to them; but against this man do not do such a vile thing." <25> But the men would not listen to him. So the man seized his concubine, and put her out to them. They wantonly raped her, and abused her all through the night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go. <26> As morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, until it was light. <27> In the morning her master got up, opened the doors of the house, and when he went out to go on his way, there was his concubine lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold. <28> "Get up," he said to her, "we are going." But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey; and the man set out for his home. <29> When he had entered his house, he took a knife, and grasping his concubine he cut her into twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel. <30> Then he commanded the men whom he sent, saying, "Thus shall you say to all the Israelites, 'Has such a thing ever happened since the day that the Israelites came up from the land of Egypt until this day? Consider it, take counsel, and speak out.'"```
Ah yes just rip a verse with no context
Jesus also shows intolerance towards hypocrites
And towards those that deal with money on holy ground
yeah
He shows tolerance to the ignorant, to those that don't know any better
He does not show tolerance to the hypocrites
Matthew 23:25
**Matthew 23:25 - Good News Translation (GNT)**
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<25> "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You clean the outside of your cup and plate, while the inside is full of what you have gotten by violence and selfishness. ```
Yet the church didn't show any tolerance towards the "heathens" did they?
Little note: Heathen. Someone who lives in the 'heath'. Heath derived from Norse Heiðr meaning honour.
@Deleted User They showed tolerance to heathens that were willing to convert
Those that fought back were promptly put to rest
So no tolerance for those not willing to convert. Therefore not tolerance.
Yes
That is good
Also the church has brought nothing but ignorance to Europe. Sent it to a dark age. There was nothing but stagnation until the enlightenment where artists and men of science sought to revive old pre-christian values.. which the church still considered to be "heretical"
The dark age is a misnomer
There was as much scientific advancement during the middle ages as during Renaissance
The Renaissance was kicked off when Irish *Christian* priests, who kept records of Roman literature and history spread it throughout Europe after the black death
Learn history
Christianity started the Renaissance
(((science)))
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@Wiktor VI Science is a God-Given tool to us to better understand his creation which has been corrupted by money and ideology