Message from @Riley

Discord ID: 618839331649617921


2019-09-04 01:35:19 UTC  

I really am not a physicist so I have no comment on that

2019-09-04 03:32:23 UTC  

@Bogatyr Bogumir is that what you were referring to?

2019-09-04 13:45:45 UTC  

lmao what?

2019-09-04 13:46:07 UTC  

you don't need fucking metaphysics to understand quantum mechanics

2019-09-04 13:46:08 UTC  

you need math

2019-09-04 13:52:36 UTC  

@Riley metaphysics precedes math

2019-09-04 13:55:54 UTC  

Part of metaphysics talks about the nature of somethings being. The reason things change, universal concrete particulars, etc. Aristotle formulated that in order for something to change, it must have that change already in potential. What we see in quantum mechanics is that a particle has tons of potential states it could be in, but is only ever *actually* one

2019-09-04 13:56:27 UTC  

And we need metaphysics for quantum mechanics to be intelligible, so you are wrong either way

2019-09-04 14:17:50 UTC  

no, thats not what we see in quantum mechanics

2019-09-04 14:18:33 UTC  

the particle exists in multiple locations at once simultaneously until its wave function collapses

2019-09-04 14:21:32 UTC  

now superposition is a little complected. Quantum superposition tells us that we can add two or more quantum states to create another quantum state.

2019-09-04 14:22:46 UTC  

lets use wave interference as an example

2019-09-04 14:23:25 UTC  

If two waves meet, they will either experience constructive or degenerate interference, depending on their direction of displacement

2019-09-04 14:24:29 UTC  

let me find an image

2019-09-04 14:26:14 UTC  

The wave on the bottom could be thought of as a superposition of the two waves above it. Since subatomic particles behave as waves, they follow the same principle

2019-09-04 14:27:10 UTC  

this is demonstrated in the double slit experiment (which I have done myself. Its very easy, all you need is a shitty 1$ laser pointer and a strand of hair or piece of paper!)

2019-09-04 16:04:30 UTC  

@Eoppa Not exactly it has more to do with Aquinas's proof of the prime mover or the unactualised actualizer. And quantumphysics slowly interestingly building into that

2019-09-04 16:05:51 UTC  

@Riley Yes and well there is also the issue of the observer the first potential etc. aristotles proof works very very well with this model.

2019-09-04 16:06:33 UTC  

It is this thing that is the first thing, that we consider god, its actually quite interesting

2019-09-04 16:06:34 UTC  

and how does it work well with it?

2019-09-04 16:07:19 UTC  

As far as I know it works to work with the idea that there needs to be something that is actually hlding everything in being, in the here and now, a fundumental force. Without which there is nothing

2019-09-04 16:07:33 UTC  

huh

2019-09-04 16:07:52 UTC  

In order for anything to exist, beyond that waveform something is actualizing everything constantly, allowing them to interact and make things simply exist

2019-09-04 16:08:14 UTC  

...huh

2019-09-04 16:08:22 UTC  

its really cool how these intertwine given the absolute massive timespan and difference in data between aristotle and modern physicists.

2019-09-04 16:08:35 UTC  

........

2019-09-04 16:08:36 UTC  

huh

2019-09-04 16:12:24 UTC  
2019-09-04 16:55:44 UTC  

Huh

2019-09-04 17:49:18 UTC  

@Riley ```The principle of quantum superposition states that if a physical system may be in one of many configurations—arrangements of particles or fields—then the most general state is a combination of all of these possibilities, where the amount in each configuration is specified by a complex number.```

2019-09-04 17:49:33 UTC  

It's not about combining waves

2019-09-04 18:47:17 UTC  

Satan means TRUTH in ancient Vedic Sanskrit, a pre-abrahamic language. https://satanisgod.org

2019-09-04 20:21:03 UTC  

@Eoppa it was an example

2019-09-04 20:22:44 UTC  

particles do obey wave dynamics tho

2019-09-04 20:22:49 UTC  

because they are waves

2019-09-04 20:25:00 UTC  

brb work

2019-09-04 20:25:38 UTC  

Well obviously, that's wave particle duality, which is a separate, but not unrelated thing

2019-09-04 20:41:04 UTC  

why do I see people discussing science in <#587029563863990282>

2019-09-04 20:46:54 UTC  

@Wubbzo in relation to Aristotelian metaphysics

2019-09-04 21:21:31 UTC  

Some of you guys are so far up your asses with philosophy that you fail to see logically