https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ways_(Aquinas)

yes

ive seen that

many many many times

and none of them are convincing

I wish Christians would try something else

You disregard anything related to Christianity as not convincing you

That's your own fault

because it isnt

its not convincing

To you.

@Riley how do you refute his arguments

^

do i really have to go through this again

Refute his arguments

Im getting sick of talking about them

Excuses

@Riley again? I've never spoken about this with you

ive spoken with many people about this

on many servers

and its giving me a headache

So speak to me about it @Riley

ugh

fine

If you can't now dm me later

alright lets start with the first

now, I don't just respond to links

I want *you* to put the argument in your own words

Prima Via: The Argument of the Unmoved MoverEdit

SummaryEdit

In the world, we can see that at least some things are changing. Whatever is changing is being changed by something else. If that by which it is changing is itself changed, then it too is being changed by something else. But this chain cannot be infinitely long, so there must be something that causes change without itself changing. This everyone understands to be God.

i said

*your own words*

No

i don't respond to copypastes

@Riley that's the argument. Refute it

I'm not presenting my own arguments retard

^

I'm presenting his arguments

ok how the fuck do you get from "there must be a first cause" to

"therefore God"

Read it

"there must be a first cause, therefore the first cause is god <:brainlet:618283060789772328>"