Message from @Riley
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do i really have to go through this again
Refute his arguments
Im getting sick of talking about them
Excuses
@Riley again? I've never spoken about this with you
ive spoken with many people about this
on many servers
and its giving me a headache
So speak to me about it @Riley
ugh
fine
If you can't now dm me later
alright lets start with the first
now, I don't just respond to links
I want *you* to put the argument in your own words
Prima Via: The Argument of the Unmoved MoverEdit
SummaryEdit
In the world, we can see that at least some things are changing. Whatever is changing is being changed by something else. If that by which it is changing is itself changed, then it too is being changed by something else. But this chain cannot be infinitely long, so there must be something that causes change without itself changing. This everyone understands to be God.
i said
*your own words*
No
@Riley that's the argument. Refute it
I'm not presenting my own arguments retard
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I'm presenting his arguments
ok how the fuck do you get from "there must be a first cause" to
"therefore God"
Read it
"there must be a first cause, therefore the first cause is god <:brainlet:618283060789772328>"
Explaination - Aquinas uses the term "motion" in his argument, but by this he understands any kind of "change", more specifically a transit from potentiality to actuality.[14] (For example, a puddle growing to be larger would be counted inside the boundaries of Aquinas' usage.) Since a potential does not yet exist, it cannot cause itself to exist and can therefore only be brought into existence by something already existing.[1]
Are you incapable of understanding logical arguments?
i understand the argument
so lets assume that i agree
there must have been a first cause
alright
a prime mover
i agree
so
prove that the prime mover is a god
i could use this argument to justify the existence of...well...just about anything
In the world, we can see that at least some things are changing. Whatever is changing is being changed by something else. If that by which it is changing is itself changed, then it too is being changed by something else. But this chain cannot be infinitely long, so there must be something that causes change without itself changing. This everyone understands to be the ~~nine~~ eight divines.