Message from @Erturion

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2019-10-18 03:27:34 UTC  

One of the worse places of the world before the late 1400s

2019-10-18 03:27:53 UTC  

It depended on the place

2019-10-18 03:28:07 UTC  

Others faired better, others had the bad side

2019-10-18 03:28:11 UTC  

Yeah

2019-10-18 03:28:15 UTC  

Europe was generally getting crowded at that point

2019-10-18 03:28:23 UTC  

And not only had it suffered a plague

2019-10-18 03:28:28 UTC  

It was suffering other things

2019-10-18 03:28:45 UTC  

I think when the 1400s swung around, then things became better

2019-10-18 03:28:57 UTC  

But it was very feudal and oppressive compared to, say, Arabia

2019-10-18 03:29:02 UTC  

Things improved for Europe in the years of colonization

2019-10-18 03:29:12 UTC  

Yeah after feudalism gave way to colonialism and freer markets

2019-10-18 03:29:18 UTC  

Arabia was also oppressive

2019-10-18 03:29:24 UTC  

But more organised

2019-10-18 03:29:34 UTC  

But not nearly as bad for the commoner

2019-10-18 03:29:36 UTC  

Europe was a mess

2019-10-18 03:29:55 UTC  

Even after the 1400s Turks had better system for quite a while

2019-10-18 03:30:17 UTC  

The biggest mistake of the Turks was treating Christians as second class

2019-10-18 03:30:34 UTC  

And overestimating its power in ending Austria

2019-10-18 03:30:40 UTC  

Turks treated Christians better than the Christians treated Muslims

2019-10-18 03:30:49 UTC  

And Austria was a supply issue as much as anything

2019-10-18 03:31:00 UTC  

Turks wanted to play nice with their occupied lands

2019-10-18 03:31:06 UTC  

So they didn’t have to deal with 100 rebellions

2019-10-18 03:31:14 UTC  

And that worked largely

2019-10-18 03:31:22 UTC  

Eh, for a while

2019-10-18 03:31:28 UTC  

They got troops and taxes from their Christian subjects

2019-10-18 03:31:32 UTC  

Ottoman power diminished in the 1600s

2019-10-18 03:31:43 UTC  

Once absolutism came around

2019-10-18 03:31:54 UTC  

And the idea of using all resources of the state

2019-10-18 03:31:59 UTC  

And then the Ottomans were a complete joke in the 1700-1900s

2019-10-18 03:32:15 UTC  

Turkish had way too much autonomy from 1600 to late 19. Century

2019-10-18 03:32:29 UTC  

Then it was too little too late

2019-10-18 03:32:36 UTC  

Industrialization was in full swing

2019-10-18 03:32:45 UTC  

I’m Romanian

2019-10-18 03:32:55 UTC  

And a second wave of colonialism was sweeping Europe

2019-10-18 03:32:57 UTC  

I generally am glad that the Ottomans couldn’t handle the Balkans anymore

2019-10-18 03:33:11 UTC  

You're respectful about it though

2019-10-18 03:33:16 UTC  

And don't call Turkish roaches

2019-10-18 03:33:41 UTC  

Only if I am to mock id call Turks “Turkroaches”

2019-10-18 03:33:44 UTC  

Only as a joke

2019-10-18 03:34:37 UTC  

Good

2019-10-18 03:36:22 UTC  

Tbh pre columbian societies and Africa are some of my bigger interests when it comes to ancient history