God helps those who help themselves, also god doesn't hand out what you are incapable of handling.

where there's a will there's a way

@Ena I think people DO have control over their Will.

I've edited mine quite a few times.

Would that also not be predetermined?

An illusion to give you a false sense of control

I see flaws with that theory

Only insofar as that God wants you to grow, and so any growth was something God planned for.

I do not know if God wants us to grow

Fate could simply be a law

and unrelated to any deity

god loves simplicity

God wants all sets and all potentials to be represented as clearly as possible.

That representation is only possible if individuals grow into their best versions.

I think God likes complexity.

For someone to be separated from fate they must not have a cause.
A child not born from a mother, a struggler against the world that will be able to break the chains of anyone he comes in contact with.

Every person should know they are their own parent.

the universe grows ever more complex

until one day

Guyz

It only grows more complex. It never gets less complex.

@Akeldama

We can't go back.

not so! not so!

what goes up must come down

@dollface what

Dreams about what once was is folly.

Watch da cross with browns

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NprrTsUt1EI

No

It’s rewiev

please talk somewhere else akel and dolly

for once an actually interesting conversation is happening

it's no dream

booo

simplicity will come to pass

wtf u nibs even chating about WTF

There cross

Und lotta stuff

@G SP You don't grow from

simplicity