i suspect black a moors were the converts they brought with them

That's quite possible tbh

i know in later years they started depicting moors as black

The paintings however do well to show their beards and turbans, so we're at the very least talking about a population from NA/the Levant

It could be at the time that Levantine DNA/rulership was more prominent from that region

these are berbers, from same area as moors

Yeah, I'm discussing it at home right now

I'm not buying it

For one, it's quite possible that the illustrators didn't have any contact with the Moors

the turks were also originally a red haired people and muhammed had red hair

And are detailing accounts of the story.

well the paintings of black moors were all done over 100 years after the invasion

It could be that Europeans eventually became more learned about North Africans by that time

Also, we'd need to see whether or not the Berbers/the like actually represented a significant genetic majority in the region around the time

the native north african population is the berbers not blacks btw

blacks moved in later

Eh, ish. There's been so much population movement in those regions over thousands of years.

Let me see if I can find a Principle Component Analysis with historical North African samples

there are caucasian mummies found in west china, why is north africa hard to believe?

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Yes, I'm firmly aware, but we need to ascertain whether or not the Moors were significantly more Africanized by the time they made contact in Iberia.

I mean, for one, if the Moors were White, why is it we see even a minimal degree of African admixture at the Horn?

This admixture is likely to stem from the presence of the Moors in the area before they were expelled

most historical depictions i find of the moors show pale skinned people. only more modern pictures show them as black

blacks may have been brought up through that area because of the arab slave trade

not that there were not any there before, just not as large a population

Also, those opinions were of England's Elizabeth, my bad. Not Isabella. Just to offer a correction.

plenty of mixin goin on

np

the problem is that europeans basically called anyone who was black or arab a moor at one point

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(mtDNA)

Presence of Haplogroup H in general isn't going to help us determine *what time it got there*

For one.

Two, the most "White-looking" and prevalent one in antiquity would be E1b1/variants of E

That's if we're assuming that the people settled in this region still looked anything like those from the Levant.